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bertha wilson updated 22/09/19

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Maddie

Maddie Report 22 Sep 2019 15:30

found her she remarried again in1982 in leeds and died 1997
she certainly didnt lead a lonely life

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Sep 2019 15:35

Looks like she may have married yet again:


Frances W Graham
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Frances W Graham
Registration Date: Jul 1982
[Aug 1982]
[Sep 1982]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: West Yorkshire
Spouse: Thomas W Richardson
Volume Number: 5
Page Number: 0695



Frances Winifred Richardson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Frances Winifred Richardson
Death Age: 88
Birth Date: 8 Apr 1909 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date: Apr 1997
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: West Yorkshire
Register Number: E19C
District and Subdistrict: 0921E
Entry Number: 264

Maddie

Maddie Report 22 Sep 2019 15:42

thank you ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Sep 2019 15:44

Thomas's grave, with photo of gravestone mentioning wife Winnie:

Thomas Richardson
in the UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: Thomas Richardson
Birth Date: 1920
Death Date: 1995
Cemetery: Killingbeck Roman Catholic Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Killingbeck, Metropolitan Borough of Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
Has Bio?: N

Maddie

Maddie Report 22 Sep 2019 15:58

thank you can trace him now
hate loose ends

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Sep 2019 16:36

Walter's death cert might give more clues re Bertha/Mary.



As well as her daughter Marlene, Frances had a son Malcolm in 1940 in Leeds.

Presumably she was no longer with William Britton, as he was apparently not the father.


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William Britton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: William Britton
Death Age: 41
Birth Date: abt 1898
Registration Date: Oct 1939
[Nov 1939]
[Dec 1939]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 543

Maddie

Maddie Report 22 Sep 2019 18:39

gets worse as it goes on william died in 1939

what was malcolms surname please as i can't find a reg under britton

Kay????

Kay???? Report 22 Sep 2019 18:56

Whos this divorced Walter.born 1892.?


Add Alternative Information
Report issue
Name:
Walter Patchett
Gender:
Male
Marital status:
**Divorced
Birth Date:
24 Oct 1892**
Residence Year:
1939
Address:
37
Residence Place:
Bradford, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Occupation:
Overlooker Woolcombing
Schedule Number:
136
Sub Schedule Number:
2
Enumeration District:
KBMD
Registration district:
498/3





Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 22 Sep 2019 19:10

The fact Bertha is an open record on the 1939 register means they have picked up her death but not seeing it

Mary

Mary Report 22 Sep 2019 19:48

1939 written in green,does it say her death something like 2/11/73 ?
Further down the page against other names their deaths also written in green.

The Mary Wilson born in Wharfedale 1918 parents Thomas Septimus Wilson 1888/9 died 1983 and Eliza Ann Fairburn married 1913
They also had Madge 1915 -2000 married Norman Sibery
Kenneth 1923-1974

1939 the above family together minus Mary!

Maryb

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Sep 2019 20:39

Maddie -
Malcolm's surname is Patchett.

He's not registered as Britton - that 's why I said William Britton didn't appear to be his father.


Mary -

re 1939 - the date 2/11/73 is the date the change of name was registered - not the date the change of name took place..
It doesn't say anything about Bertha/Mary's death, and doesn't indicate the reason for the change.

The code is CR 283 LDS.
CR 283 just means there was a change of name.
LDS might mean that the change was registered at the Leeds office.

"CR283 is a form that is used when there is a Change of Surname, Forename, or Date of Birth"
http://www.1939register.info/

Mary

Mary Report 22 Sep 2019 21:04

Ok

Thank you
Maryb

Maddie

Maddie Report 23 Sep 2019 12:09

i don't know who the walter born 1892 in 1939 reg is, my walter was born 1906. Is it a coincidence he was also divorced. Could frances have put divorced to save face and never married william britton because she was still married

i still can't find bertha/mary death how strange

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Sep 2019 17:18

Walter born 1892 - NOT relevant to rour search

PATCHETT, WALTER GURIN
GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in BRADFORD Volume 09B Page 58

The GRO site is free to all


1911

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Harry Normington Head Married Male 54 1857 Carter Halifax Yorks
Emma Normington Wife Married Female 51 1860 - Ackworth Yorks
Emma Normington Daughter Single Female 19 1892 Worsted Spinner Bradford Yorks
Albert Normington Son Single Male 12 1899 School Bradford Yorks
Walter Patchett Boarder Single Male 18 1893 Goods Porter Bradford Yorks

1901

Walker Patchett Head Widower Male 43 1858 Saw Mill Labourer Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Robert Bernard Patchett Son Single Male 12 1889 School Boy Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Walter Patchett Son Single Male 8 1893 - Bradford, Yorkshire, England


PATCHETT, ROBERT BERNARD GUERIN
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in BRADFORD, YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 75

1891
Name: Walker Patchett
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Relationship: Lodger
Birth Year: 1858
Birth Place: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Bradford
Residence Place: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Sub Registration District: Bradford East End
ED, Institution or Vessel: 55
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3626
Folio: 115
Household Members:
Name Age
John Guerin 61
Catherine Guerin 54
Walker Patchett 33
Cissily Patchett 30
Robert B Patchett 5


Name: Walker Patchett
Age: 6
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 12 Dec 1857
Baptism Date: 24 Jan 1864
Baptism Place: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral), Yorkshire, England
Father: Benjamin Patchett
Mother: Margaret Patchett


First name(s) WALKER
Last name PATCHETT
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1881
WALKER PATCHETT married
Cecily Mary Guerin
District Bradford

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Sep 2019 18:49

Maddie -

I don't think the other Walter Patchett is necessarily anything to do with yours.
Patchett seems to be a very common name in that part of the country.


It's certainly possible that Frances wasn't telling the truth in 1939, when she said she was divorced - but we'll never know. I think it's more likely she was telling the truth. After all, she could have called herself Britton for respectability, and claimed to be married - but instead she was honest.
We do know she remarried in 1947.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 25 Sep 2019 12:13

--Divorce-- Walter Patchett, labourer, Laurel Mount, Stannlngley, Leeds; misconduct Francis Winifred Patchett. Plevna Street, Leeds, with William
06 December 1938 - Leeds Mercury - Leeds, Yorkshire, England ,


just a fluke they carry the same name.



Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Sep 2019 12:54

found the article on fmp
florences misconduct with mr willliam britton was the cause

thank you, clears that little mystery up

i wonder how she got away with reg. malcolms birth in name of patchett

Kay????

Kay???? Report 25 Sep 2019 17:47

Patchett would still have been her legal surname to use even if divorced.if she hadn't remarried or used the bilogical fathers surname.


?

Is this the same Walter being named as having an affair with Alice. Hind ?


Doc True

DECREES GRANTED
father the petitioner, at Somerset Street, Hull. Arthur Hind. Bridgeford Terrace, Southbank; misconduct of Alice Hind with Walter Patchett at Olive Street. Middlesbrough.
29 July 1933 - Leeds Mercury - Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Sep 2019 19:20

i dont think so he lived pudsey, bradford and leeds all his life