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Marian
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11 Sep 2019 19:25 |
I am looking for the marriage of the above to possibly Robert Littlefair between 1835 to 1842. Elizabeth born 1817 high Coniscliffe, Co Durham parents Thomas and Mary. I am making assumptions based on the following census returns for 1851, 1861 and 1871
1851 census Darlington
Robert Littlefair 42 tailor Witton le Wear Elizabeth 34 high coniscliffe Margaret daughter 9 Edinburgh
1861 census South Shields holy Trinity Darlington
Robert Littlefair 50 grocer Witton le Wear Elizabeth 44 high coniscliffe Margaret 19 daughter Scotland
1871 census South Shields holy Trinity Darlington
Robert Littlefair 61 retired tailor Witton le Wear Elizabeth 54 high coniscliffe
I cannot find them on the 1841 census but you will see that Margaret was born in Scotland. All the above off family search.
Thank you
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alviegal
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11 Sep 2019 20:13 |
This couldn't be Elizabeth Race, could it? I'm just going with an address in your other thread.
Durham Bishop's Transcripts Burials
First name(s) Elizabeth Last name Race Age 15 Birth year 1817 Residence Alwent Mill Death year - Burial year 1832 Burial date 19 Mar 1832 Denomination Anglican Burial place Gainford County Durham
EDIT Posted by Dea on Thomas Race's thread.
02 May 1835 - Kendal Mercury - Kendal, Westmorland, England: Marriage: At Kirkby Stephen, on the 22nd ult., Mr Thomas Race, miller,> Alwant Mill<, near Staindrop, in the county of Durham, to .Miss Elizabeth Aislabie, of Kirkby Stephen.
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KathleenBell
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11 Sep 2019 20:13 |
Could this be Robert in 1841:-
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census 10, Sanders Street, St Cuthbert's, Midlothian, Scotland
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Janet Littlefair Female 36 1805 Midlothian, Scotland - independent means Robert Littlefair Male 30 1811 Midlothian, Scotland - occupation Tailor.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Sep 2019 20:20 |
Marriage of the 1841 couple:
LITTLEFAIR ROBERT JANET ANDERSON/FR6095 (FR6095) 03/06/1841 685/1 660 373 Edinburgh
And Janet's death:
LITTLEFAIR JANET mms ANDERSON / [ spouse ] ROBERT LITTLEFAIR 41 F 12/06/1843 685/2 510 156 St Cuthbert's
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KathleenBell
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11 Sep 2019 20:22 |
Not sure why you have mentioned South Shields in both of the census records you have posted?? The family were in Darlington.
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alviegal
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11 Sep 2019 20:22 |
Janet from 1841 census died in 1843 so Margaret was possibly her child.
LITTLEFAIR JANET ANDERSON / ROBERT LITTLEFAIR 41 F 12/06/1843 685/2 510 156 St Cuthbert's
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Marian
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11 Sep 2019 20:26 |
hello both, looks like it could be Elizabeths burial as Alwent Mill is where other Races were baptised. The Robert connection was just guesswork on my part. Thank you both for looking.
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Marian
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11 Sep 2019 20:30 |
hi, on family search it has the address as South Shields holy Trinity, Darlington.
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KathleenBell
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11 Sep 2019 20:33 |
How do you know Elizabeth Race's parents are Thomas and Mary?
There is a baptism for Elizabeth Aislabie at Kirkby Stephen (parents Richard and Elizabeth):-
First name(s) Elizabeth Malkin Last name Aislabie Gender Female Birth year - Birth place - Baptism year 1811 Baptism date 1811 Residence Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England Place Kirkby Stephen County Westmorland Country England Father's first name(s) Richard Father's last name Aislabie Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Mother's last name Malkin Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms
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KathleenBell
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11 Sep 2019 20:34 |
South Shields is completely different from Darlington.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Sep 2019 20:48 |
On the other thread -
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1379302
Thomas Race's parents were Thomas and Mary.
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Marian
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11 Sep 2019 20:53 |
hi, Elizabeth was baptised 4 August 1816 at coniscliffe, co durham daughter of Thomas and Mary, Miller
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Chris Ho :)
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11 Sep 2019 20:59 |
Below coming up on google search...
Chris :)
https://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/namedetails.php?name=125618
Robert Littlefair is listed as the husband of Janet Anderson on the grave monument.
https://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=60829
Janet Anderson 1843 42 1801
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ArgyllGran
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11 Sep 2019 21:07 |
Where have you found the baptism of Elizabeth, Marian?
I'm not seeing it - at least not on Ancestry or FS.
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Chris Ho :)
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11 Sep 2019 21:18 |
Below is about...
Chris :)
Northumberland And Durham Baptisms (Find My Past)
First name(s) Elizabeth Last name Race Birth year 1816 Birth date ? ? 1816 Baptism year 1816 Baptism date 04 Aug 1816 Parish Coniscliffe Father's first name(s) Thomas Mother's first name(s) Mary Mother's last name Race County Durham
Baptisms Auckland 1816 Elizabeth Race High Coniscliffe
https://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/
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ArgyllGran
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11 Sep 2019 21:33 |
??? [ EDIT: No, I think this is another man of the same name. This one's a farmer, whereas the one we want is a tailor (or grocer).]
Robert Littlefair in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Robert Littlefair Estimated birth year: abt 1810 Registration Year: 1881 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 71 Registration district: Darlington Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 16
Robert Littlefair in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995 Name: Robert Littlefair Death Date: 4 Nov 1919 Death Place: Durham, England Probate Date: 29 Nov 1919 Probate Registry: London, England
Robert Littlefair of Keverstone Grange, Staindrop, Durham. Probate to Thomas Littlefair and Valentine Hodgson, farmers.
Robert Littlefair in the 1911 England Census Summary Books Name: Robert Littlefair Number of Males: 4 Number of Females: 2 Household schedule number: 30 Street address: Keverstone Farm Civil Parish: Raby with Keverstone Ecclesiastical parish: Cockfield St Mary the Virgin with Staindrop St Mary the Virgin County/Island: Durham Country: England Residence Year: 1911 Registration district: Teesdale Registration District Number: 548 Sub-registration district: Staindrop Sub-Registration District Number: 1 ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Valentine Hodgson lived four houses along from Robert, at Burton House.
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Chris Ho :)
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11 Sep 2019 22:09 |
(for 1881 one above)
Chris :)
12 March 1881 - Northern Echo - Darlington, Durham, England
Death Littlefair - March 10, at Alblon-street, Darlington, aged 71 years, Mr Robert Littlefair. Interment at West Cemetery, Saturday, March 12; cortege will leave at three afternoon. Friends please accept this intimation.
1871 Robert Littlefair Head - Male 51 (61) 1820 - Durham, England (Retired Tailor, Witton) Elizabeth Littlefair Wife - Female 54 1817 - Durham, England (High Coniscliffe) Albion Street, Holy Trinity, Darlington, Durham
Edits (image FMP for below)
Yorkshire Marriages Thirsk, Yorkshire (North Riding), England Littlefair Margaret 1842 — 1863 (Laurence Furness) (Father, Robert Littlefair, occ. Tailor)
(below names were witnesses)
1861 Robert Easby Head Widower Male 58 1803 Land Surveyor Cowesby, Yorkshire, England Edwin Faint Easby Son Unmarried Male 27 1834 Land Surveyor Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Chapel Street, Thirsk, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding)
08 February 1876 - York Herald - York, Yorkshire, England
Death Furness - On tbe 6th inst., at Havelock Anns Hotel, Haughton-lane, Darlington, in his 36th year, Mr. Laurence Furness.
(Margaret is shared by other GR Members (Search All Trees) one has 1842 Edinburgh, have you contacted any of them?)
(Janet Anderson (d. 12th June 1843) was daughter of James Anderson (d. 21st Aug. 1840), Margaret Anderson (Martin) (d.1831) (a brother, William Anderson d. 2 July 1842)
Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950
First name(s) Janet Last name Anderson Gender Female Birth year 1801 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Father's first name(s) James Father's last name Anderson Mother's first name(s) Margaret Mother's last name Martin Place Edinburgh County Midlothian
Scotland Marriages 1561-1910
First name(s) Robert Last name Littlefair Marriage year 1841 Marriage date 03 Jun 1841 Marriage place Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland Spouse's first name(s) Janet Spouse's last name Anderson Place Edinburgh County Midlothian Country Scotland Spouse's father's first name(s) James Spouse's father's last name Anderson
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12 Sep 2019 11:38 |
There's no sign of Margaret's birth on SP, either as Littlefair, Anderson, Race, or Aislabie (or variation of spelling).
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12 Sep 2019 12:34 |
Off at a bit of a tangent -
interestingly, this may be a sister of Robert, also marrying an Anderson and later living in Edinburgh:
Name: William Anderson Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 5 Sep 1840 Event Place: Durham, England, United Kingdom Gender: Male Spouse's Name: Ann Littlefair Spouse's Gender: Female Digital Folder Number: 004088940 Image Number: 00434
Both are "of Witton le Wear".
Birth of son:
Name: James Anderson Gender: Male Birth Date: 31 Jan 1841 Birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH, EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND Father's Name: William Anderson Mother's Name: Ann Littlefair Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11983-9 System Origin: Scotland-ODM GS Film number: 1066692
ANDERSON JAMES WILLIAM ANDERSON/ANN LITTLEFAIR FR3791 (FR3791) M 31/01/1841 685/1 580 297 Edinburgh
Ann Anderson in the 1841 Scotland Census Name: Ann Anderson Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Gender: Female Where born: England Civil Parish: Edinburgh St George County: Midlothian Address: Rose St 174 Parish Number: 685/1 Household Members: Name Age William Anderson 25 - Midlothian Ann Anderson 25 James Anderson 4 Mo
Ann Anderson in the 1851 England Census Name: Ann Anderson Age: 41 Estimated birth year: abt 1810 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Witton, Durham, England Civil Parish: Darlington Ecclesiastical parish: St John Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Darlington Sub-registration district: Darlington ED, institution, or vessel: 18b Neighbors: Household schedule number: 116 Piece: 2382 Folio: 207 Page Number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Ann Anderson 41 - widow, laundress James Anderson 10 - Edinburgh
(Address: 11 Brunswick Street )
Ann Anderson in the 1861 England Census Name: Ann Anderson Age: 46 Estimated birth year: 1815 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Cortter Owers, Durham, England [ Witton le Wear on image ] Civil Parish: Darlington St John Town: Darlington County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: 12 Brunswick Street Registration district: Darlington Sub-registration district: Darlington ED, institution, or vessel: 2l Neighbors: Household schedule number: 114 Piece: 3679 Folio: 39 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Ann Anderson 46 - widow, glover James Anderson 20 - Witton le Wear, Joiner
??? Deaths Mar 1867 (>99%) Anderson Ann 51 Stockton 10a 66
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12 Sep 2019 17:23 |
Bit of an age difference on all Census posted, to Baptism of Elizabeth as well...she is now with below!...
Chris :)
1881 Maria Mosson Head Widow Female 61 1820 - Durham, England Mary Ann Mosson Daughter Single Female 24 1857 - Carlton, Durham, England John Mosson Son Single Male 21 1860 Sailor Carlton, Durham, England Maria Mosson Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Domestic Servant Stockton, Durham, England Elizabeth Littlefair Sister Widow Female 64 1817 Housekeeper High Coniscliffe, Durham, England Stockton upon Tees, Stockton, Durham,
(if below relate to above)
Birth MOSSOM, JOHN - GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 239
Birth MOSSOM, MARIA ELIZABETH LEADLEY GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 95
Birth MOSSOM, CLARA LEADLEY GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 81
10 June 1886 - Daily Gazette for Middlesbrough - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
Death Mossom — On the 10th inst., at Steam Packet Inn, Stockton, Maria Mossom, aged 67. Interment on Sunday, June 13th, leaving residence at 2 p.m. Friends please accept this the only intimation.
Edits (Maria Elizabeth and Clara with a William and Elizabeth 1871, Stockton, don't think any of above Baptisms relate!)
1901 John Mossom Head Married Male 41 1860 Inn Keeper Carlton, Durham, England Margaret A Mossom Wife Married Female 23 1878 - West Hartlepool, Durham, England Nora Mossom Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Stockton, Durham, England Olive G Mossom Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Stockton, Durham, England Hannah Best Visitor Single Female 16 1885 - Stockton, Durham, England Steam Packet Tavern, Quayside, Stockton upon Tees, Stockton, Durham
1871 Thomas Mossom Head - Male 56 1815 - Durham, England Maria Mossom Wife - Female 51 1820 - Durham, England Elizabeth Cuthbertson Daughter - Female 22 1849 - Yorkshire, England Thomas Mossom Son - Male 19 1852 - Durham, England Sarah H Mossom Daughter - Female 17 1854 - Durham, England Mary A Mossom Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Durham, England John F Mossom Son - Male 11 1860 - Durham, England Annie M Mossom Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Durham, England Quayside Steam Packet Inn, Holy Trinity, Stockton, Durham
Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%) ------------------------------- WALKER Henrietta Stockton 10a 170 Mossom John Stockton 10a 170
Marriages Jun 1843 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------- MOSSOM Thomas Darlington 24 58 Patterick Maria Darlington 24 58
Birth MOSSOM, SARAH HANNAH PATTERICK GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in STOCKTON Volume 10A Page 48
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mossom-3
(and how above relates to surname Rase/Rase a mystery!)
(do you know of this Mossom connection Marian?)
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