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A Labourer with Annie Snr., Annie Jnr., Martin Jnr. a Labourer at 38 Glenmorgan Street

Martin Arthur
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1931
Subdistrict: Blyth
State: Victoria
District: Bourke
Country: Australia

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A Labourer with Annie, Janet a bookbinder, at 38 Glenmorgan Street

View Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name: Martin Arthur
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1937
Subdistrict: Blyth
State: Victoria
District: Bourke
Country: Australia

Thank you for getting more info
Now we know when they emigrated I hadn't realised you can get the Australian family search

Thank you

With Annie @ 14 Kanowna Street, Hampton

View Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name: Martin Arthur - original shows he's a Labourer
Electoral Year: 1921
Subdistrict: Sandringham
State: Victoria
District: Henty
Country: Australia

In the 1920s (and even when I was a student in Edinburgh in the 1960s) the Lawnmarket was a really slummy disreputable place. Not somewhere a lone female would venture after dark in the 1960s - and with trepidation even in daytime.
I'm not surprised the family decided to emigrate!

Nowadays, it's a trendy tourist area full of bars and restaurants, with pleasant outdoor seating.

Can see Arrival, 21st April, 1921 'Orsova'. Arthur, Mr. & Mrs. 3 sons & 2 daughters.
Melbourne.

Chris :)

(can sometimes be in Newspapers)

(looking on google, wonder if that would be Lawnmarket, for their leaving address)

http://www.bestofedinburgh.com/page.asp?Title=The+Lawnmarket&Section=65&Page=3

Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960


First name(s) M
Last name Arthur
Title MR
Gender Male
Age 49
Birth year 1872
Marital status M
Occupation BRICKLAYER
Departure year 1921
Departure day 19
Departure month 3
Departure port London
Destination port Melbourne
Destination MELBOURNE
State Victoria
Country Australia
Destination country Australia
Ship name Orsova
Ship official number 128278
Ship master's first name C G
Ship master's last name MATHESON
Shipping line ORIENT
Ship destination port AUSTRALIA
Ship destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship square feet 9095
Ship registered tonnage 6831
Number of passengers 757
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration

From original -
Last address in UK
477 Lawumarked, Edinburgh

Other people associated with this record -

Mr J Arthur 16 App. Plumber
Master M Arthur 11
Mrs A Arthur 38 Charwoman
Miss A Arthur 14
Miss J Arthur 9
Master R Arthur 6

Country of intended future permanent residence - Australia

As Robert Moore was born in St Giles reg district in 1914, and the family were there in 1911, your Martin Arthur will be the one in the Lawnmarket in 1915 and 1920.

There are 2 Martin Arthurs showing on the 1911 census for Midlothian of an age to appear on Valuation rolls.

One aged 42 as shown above in St Giles RD and also a 49 year old in Leith South RD

Valuation results 1915

Surname Forename Title Status Place Parish Year Reference Number
ARTHUR MARTIN Tenant Occupier
HOUSE NO 2 LADY STAIR'S CLOSE 477 LAWNMARKET EDINBURGH
1915 VR010000321-

ARTHUR MARTIN Tenant Occupier
HOUSE 4 HERIOT BRIDGE EDINBURGH
1915 VR010000323-

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and 1920

Surname Forename Title Status Place Parish Year Reference Number Image View
ARTHUR MARTIN Tenant Occupier
HOUSE 2 LADY STAIRS CLOSE (477 LAWNMARKET) EDINBURGH
1920 VR010000388-

ARTHUR MARTIN Tenant Occupier
SHOP 65 DEAN STREET EDINBURGH
1920 VR010000392-

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As the eldest son you say was born in Fife possibly one of these in 1901
ARTHUR MARTIN Tenant Occupier
HOUSE 10 WILLIAM STREET NORTH SIDE DUNFERMLINE
1904 VR002600025-

ARTHUR MARTIN Tenant Occupier
HOUSE 159 BALDRIDGEBURN SOUTH SIDE DUNFERMLINE
1905 VR002600025-

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ListingReports/ItemsListing.aspx

(if you click on B883 VX1301, you will see a photo of James Thomson Arthur)

Edits (if 'Timed Out', go to below)

Chris :)

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/

(using RecordSearch, Keywords, james thomson arthur)


https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

(probably more items, newspapers, if you have time to 'play' with keywords!)


Marriage

Registration number 13151 / 1925

WATERS Lilian May

ARTHUR Spouse's given name(s) Jas Thomson

https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history


https://tinyurl.com/y5s8y2oy

(see 3 Arthur entries)


https://tinyurl.com/y2d2gt9u

(1938, Funeral details, Martin Arthur)


https://tinyurl.com/y5rl4zus

(1938 Death Notice)

Yes I do that on SP for 1911

It looks as though we won't find the passenger list I've got one child for Robert

Thank you for your time and hepl

By manipulating the SP site (doesn't cost a thing) - this family shows together on the 1911 census. No further detail unless credits bought.

Might not be a census (you said you didn't have one with them on) but the next best thing and at least it shows the family together

Surname Forename Year Gender Age at Census Ref RD Name County/ City Image View

ARTHUR MARTIN 1911 M 42 685/4 4/ 23 St Giles Midlothian
ARTHUR ANN 1911 F 29 685/4 4/ 23 St Giles Midlothian
ARTHUR JAMES 1911 M 6 685/4 4/ 23 St Giles Midlothian
ARTHUR ANNIE 1911 F 5 685/4 4/ 23 St Giles Midlothian
ARTHUR MARTIN 1911 M 2 685/4 4/ 23 St Giles Midlothian

I can't see any travel records for them on Findmypast, but not sure if they cover that period.

Kath. x

Sorry again just checked on SP Robert was born St Giles 1914 so it would have been after that

Martin Arthur
Birth Year: abt 1869
Age: 69
Death Place: Campbellfield, Victoria
Father's name: Martin Arthur
Mother's name: Jean Wilson
Registration Year: 1938
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 7010

Yes that is right sorry I never thought to put his parents down yes the marriage Canongate

in the Victoria, Australia, Death Index, 1836-1988

Name: James Thomson Arthur
Death Registration Year: 1965
Death Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Father: Martin Arthur
Mother Maiden Name: Thomson
Reference Number: 23561

Name: James Thomson Arthur
Birth Date: 4 Oct 1907
Birth Place: Dunfermilne Scotland
Year Range: 1939 - 1948
Enlistment Place: Melbourne Victoria
Service Number: VX1301
Spouse: Lillian Arthur
Series Description: B883: Army, 2nd Al F

Name: Annie Thomson Arthur
[Annie Thomson Arth]
Gender: Female
Marriage Registration Year: 1932
Marriage Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Spouse: Robert Wm Hillhouse
Reference Number: 3097

A tree on ancestry has this

Annie English Thomson
1882–1965
BIRTH 02 MAY 1882 • Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland
DEATH 30 JUN 1965 • Hobart, Tasmania, Australia


Martin Arthur
1869–1938
BIRTH 19 DEC 1869 • Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
DEATH 09 AUG 1938 • Caulfield, Victoria, Australia

Children

James Thomson Arthur
1904–1965
BIRTH 1904 • Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
DEATH 20 OCT 1965 • Heidelberg, Victoria, Australia
Spouse

Lillian May Waters
1907–1992
BIRTH ABT. 1907
DEATH 14 DEC 1992 • Victoria, Australia


Annie Thomson Arthur
1906–1988
BIRTH 29 JUL 1906 • Newington, Midlothian, Scotland
DEATH 30 JUN 1988 • Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Spouse


Robert William Hillhouse
1906–1965
BIRTH 12 APR 1906 • Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
DEATH 22 JUN 1965 • Blackburn, Victoria, Australia

Martin Arthur
1909–1985
BIRTH 1909 • Newington, Midlothian, Scotland
DEATH 1985 • Kew, Victoria, Australia



Janet Thomson Arthur
1911–
BIRTH 21 MAY 1911 • Edinburgh St Giles, Midlothian, Scotland
DEATH Unknown
Private info

Detail
Marriage record of Hannaford, Fredk Jas [Frederick James] and Janet Thompson [Thomson] Arthur, married 1937, Births, Deaths & Marriages Victoria, No. 15324, search result accessed 13 June 2018
Source Information
Title
Victoria, Australia, Births, Deaths, Marriages Victoria, Marriages
Note
Victoria, Australia. Births, Deaths, Marriages Victoria. Marriages.
Repository Information
Name
BDM Victoria
Email
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj


Robert Moore Arthur
1914–
BIRTH 1914 • Edinburgh St Giles, Midlothian, Scotland
DEATH Unknown

Spouse private info

Detail
Marriage record of Arthur, Robert Moore and Mavis Merlin Bishop, married 1938, Births, Deaths & Marriages Victoria, No. 3969, search result accessed 13 June 2018
Source Information
Title
Victoria, Australia, Births, Deaths, Marriages Victoria, Marriages
Note
Victoria, Australia. Births, Deaths, Marriages Victoria. Marriages.
Repository Information
Name
BDM Victoria
Email
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj

The Robert Moore who travelled to Tasmania with Olive in 1953 - which I posted earlier, isn't the Robert born in Edinburgh - unless the YOB is wrong on this travel record:


Robert Moore Arthur
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Robert Moore Arthur
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Birth Date: abt 1921 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Departure Date: 6 Aug 1953
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name: Strathmore
Shipping Line: P and O
Official Number: 164521
Master: C F Halliday

Robert Moore was born in Edinburgh, not Australia, as already stated in his WW2 Service Record posted above.

His birth:

ARTHUR
ROBERT MOORE
M
1914
685/4 576
St Giles


Are you sure he is the son of Martin and Ann(ie) ?

If he is, they didn't emigrate until 1914 at earliest.

Martin Arthur
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Martin Arthur
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow
Registration Number: 431
Registration district: Forgan
Civil Parish: Forgan
County: Fife
Address: In The River Fay Near The Fife Shore Opposite Dundee
ED: Mars Industrial Training Ship <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Line: 4
Roll: cssct1881_120