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Sylann

Sylann Report 8 Sep 2019 16:46

The number of ancestors emigrating
I have a family the Arthur Family

Martin Arthur 1869 Scotland 1938 Australia
wife Ann E Thomson 1882-1965 they had several children I've got that the ones upto 1911 were born in Midlothian Scotland , I think they had a son in 1914 Australia Robert Moore Arthur

So possibly emigrated between 1911-1914 as yet not found when they did emigrate
If possible I'd like to fill in the gaps I know 4 of the 5 children married but I don't know when or where

Thank you

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2019 16:56

I'm not seeing their marriage in Scotland/England/Wales.

Is this the family in 1901 ??? though the YOB's don't match what you say:

Martin Arthur
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Martin Arthur
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 685/2
Registration district: St Andrew
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St James
County: Midlothian
Address: 5 No St James St 1st Floor
Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer
ED: 52
Household schedule number: 74
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1901_373
Household Members:
Name Age
Martin Arthur 30
Anne Arthur 46
Martin Arthur 5

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 8 Sep 2019 17:01

That Arthur is single and the Anne with him is his widowed sister.

Kath. x

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2019 17:02

???

Robert Moore Arthur
in the Australia, World War II Military Service Records, 1939-1945
Name: Robert Moore Arthur
Birth Date: 6 May 1914
Birth Place: Edinborough Scotland <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Year Range: 1939 - 1948
Enlistment Place: Hobart Tasmania
Service Number: TX2761
Next of Kin: Mavis Arthur
Series Description: B883: Army, 2nd Al F

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2019 17:04

EDIT -
NO, not this one - see post at 17:39 - YOB c1921:

Robert Moore Arthur
in the Fremantle, Western Australia, Passenger Lists, 1897-1963
Name: Robert Moore Arthur
Departure Place: United Kingdom
Arrival Date: 1 Sep 1953
Arrival Place: Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia
Vessel: Strathmore


Travelling with Olive Moore Arthur.
Going to: Freemasons Hotel, New Norfolk, Tasmania

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2019 17:06

Just posting random things as I find them - no idea if they're for your Robert or not:


Carmel Lee Arthur
in the Victoria, Australia, Death Index, 1836-1988
Name: Carmel Lee Arthur
Death Registration Year: 1963
Death Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Father: Robert Moore Arthur <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother Maiden Name: Bishop
Reference Number: 8191

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 8 Sep 2019 17:08

Robert's marriage? :-

Victoria Marriages 1836-1942

First name(s) Robert Moore
Last name Arthur
Sex Male
Marriage year 1938
Spouse's first name(s) Mavis Merlin
Spouse's last name Bishop
State Victoria
Country Australia
Record set Victoria Marriages 1836-1942
Registration number 3969
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Australasia

Kath. x

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2019 17:12

What were the names of Martin and Ann's children, please?

Can you post a census you've found them on? I'm not seeing them in Scotland at all.
Where in Scotland was Martin born?

ADDED:
This is the only Martin Arthur birth in Scotland 1868-70:

ARTHUR
MARTIN
M
1868
644/4 31
Calton (Glasgow)

Sylann

Sylann Report 8 Sep 2019 17:15

they married 1901 I think it was Edinburgh I've got the marriage of another tree and it isn't very good, Robert Moore Arthur I've got he married a Mavis so that sounds right
Just noticed the other answer it looks as though they had a family

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2019 17:16

Ancestry seems to think this is that Martin in 1871:


Martin Arthur
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Martin Arthur
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relationship: Son
Father's name: Martin Arthur
Mother's name: Jane Arthur
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 648
Registration district: Lanark
Civil Parish: Lanark
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Castlegate
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 49
Line: 24
Roll: CSSCT1871_146
Household Members:
Name Age
Martin Arthur 23
Jane Arthur 24
Martin Arthur 3



Martin Arthur
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Martin Arthur
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 Dec 1867
Birth Place: Calton,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Father: Martin Arthur
Mother: Jane Wilson
FHL Film Number: 6035516

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2019 17:19

Martin Arthur
in the Victoria, Australia, Death Index, 1836-1988
Name: Martin Arthur
Death Registration Year: 1938
Death Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Father: Martin Arthur
Mother Maiden Name: Wilson
Reference Number: 7010

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2019 17:21

Oh yes, I see the marriage now.


ARTHUR
MARTIN
THOMSON
ANNIE ENGLISH
1901
685/3 235
Canongate

Sylann

Sylann Report 8 Sep 2019 17:23

Children
James T Arthur 1904 Fife 1965 Australia
Annie T " 1906 Midlothian 1988 Australia
Martin 1908 Midlothian
Janet T 1911 Midlothian
Robert Moore 1914

Not got a census with them on

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 8 Sep 2019 17:26

Lives Of The First World War 1914-1918

First name(s) Martin
Last name Arthur
Birth year 1867
Birth date 19 Dec 1867
Service number S/16020
Rank Private
Year 1914-18
Death year 1938
Death date 09 Aug 1938
Corps Gordon Highlanders
Service British Army
Stories -
Links
Martin: Medal Index Card
Image descriptions Martin Arthur with his wife Ann English Thompson.
Source
View the Source record
User facts
Father : Martin Arthur
Mother : Jane Arthur ms Wilson
Education : Martin spent time on the TS Mars , a training ship for boys "at risk". He would have completed his schooling and been taught useful skills which would enable him to work for a living. Fife United Kingdom The Mars
Nature of Death : War Related Sickness Died of pulmonary tuberculosis.
Place of Birth : United Kingdom Glasgow
Served as Surname : Arthur
Served as First names : Martin
Place of Death : Australia Victoria
Country Great Britain
Record set Lives Of The First World War 1914-1918
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
copyright Findmypast 2019

Kath. x

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Sep 2019 17:27

Not seeing them on any census

How sure are you of the names and birth years

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2019 17:30

Martin Arthur
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Martin Arthur
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow
Registration Number: 431
Registration district: Forgan
Civil Parish: Forgan
County: Fife
Address: In The River Fay Near The Fife Shore Opposite Dundee
ED: Mars Industrial Training Ship <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Line: 4
Roll: cssct1881_120

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2019 17:34

Robert Moore was born in Edinburgh, not Australia, as already stated in his WW2 Service Record posted above.

His birth:

ARTHUR
ROBERT MOORE
M
1914
685/4 576
St Giles


Are you sure he is the son of Martin and Ann(ie) ?

If he is, they didn't emigrate until 1914 at earliest.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2019 17:39

The Robert Moore who travelled to Tasmania with Olive in 1953 - which I posted earlier, isn't the Robert born in Edinburgh - unless the YOB is wrong on this travel record:


Robert Moore Arthur
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Robert Moore Arthur
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Birth Date: abt 1921 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Departure Date: 6 Aug 1953
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name: Strathmore
Shipping Line: P and O
Official Number: 164521
Master: C F Halliday

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Sep 2019 17:40

A tree on ancestry has this

Annie English Thomson
1882–1965
BIRTH 02 MAY 1882 • Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland
DEATH 30 JUN 1965 • Hobart, Tasmania, Australia


Martin Arthur
1869–1938
BIRTH 19 DEC 1869 • Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
DEATH 09 AUG 1938 • Caulfield, Victoria, Australia

Children

James Thomson Arthur
1904–1965
BIRTH 1904 • Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
DEATH 20 OCT 1965 • Heidelberg, Victoria, Australia
Spouse

Lillian May Waters
1907–1992
BIRTH ABT. 1907
DEATH 14 DEC 1992 • Victoria, Australia


Annie Thomson Arthur
1906–1988
BIRTH 29 JUL 1906 • Newington, Midlothian, Scotland
DEATH 30 JUN 1988 • Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Spouse


Robert William Hillhouse
1906–1965
BIRTH 12 APR 1906 • Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
DEATH 22 JUN 1965 • Blackburn, Victoria, Australia

Martin Arthur
1909–1985
BIRTH 1909 • Newington, Midlothian, Scotland
DEATH 1985 • Kew, Victoria, Australia



Janet Thomson Arthur
1911–
BIRTH 21 MAY 1911 • Edinburgh St Giles, Midlothian, Scotland
DEATH Unknown
Private info

Detail
Marriage record of Hannaford, Fredk Jas [Frederick James] and Janet Thompson [Thomson] Arthur, married 1937, Births, Deaths & Marriages Victoria, No. 15324, search result accessed 13 June 2018
Source Information
Title
Victoria, Australia, Births, Deaths, Marriages Victoria, Marriages
Note
Victoria, Australia. Births, Deaths, Marriages Victoria. Marriages.
Repository Information
Name
BDM Victoria
Email
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj


Robert Moore Arthur
1914–
BIRTH 1914 • Edinburgh St Giles, Midlothian, Scotland
DEATH Unknown

Spouse private info

Detail
Marriage record of Arthur, Robert Moore and Mavis Merlin Bishop, married 1938, Births, Deaths & Marriages Victoria, No. 3969, search result accessed 13 June 2018
Source Information
Title
Victoria, Australia, Births, Deaths, Marriages Victoria, Marriages
Note
Victoria, Australia. Births, Deaths, Marriages Victoria. Marriages.
Repository Information
Name
BDM Victoria
Email
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj

Maddie

Maddie Report 8 Sep 2019 17:45

in the Victoria, Australia, Death Index, 1836-1988

Name: James Thomson Arthur
Death Registration Year: 1965
Death Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Father: Martin Arthur
Mother Maiden Name: Thomson
Reference Number: 23561

Name: James Thomson Arthur
Birth Date: 4 Oct 1907
Birth Place: Dunfermilne Scotland
Year Range: 1939 - 1948
Enlistment Place: Melbourne Victoria
Service Number: VX1301
Spouse: Lillian Arthur
Series Description: B883: Army, 2nd Al F

Name: Annie Thomson Arthur
[Annie Thomson Arth]
Gender: Female
Marriage Registration Year: 1932
Marriage Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Spouse: Robert Wm Hillhouse
Reference Number: 3097