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I have a Alexander Liddle Anderson b 1888 Linlithgow west Lothian on ancestry they have 2 documents for him attestation 1914-1918 and a personal one

Could some one look to see if it gives his parents please

I have his parents as Robert Anderson and Jane Liddle


Thank you

?? this one Personnel files as opposed to Personal and 1887?

Alexander Liddle Anderson
in the Canada, WWI CEF Personnel Files, 1914-1918

Name: Alexander Liddle Anderson
Birth Date: 28 Jul 1887
Birth Place: Linlithgow, Scotland
Mother: Anderson
Regimental Number: 420702

NoK address Mrs Anderson of 169 High Street, Linlithgow
Machinist on enlistment 24.12.1914
Previously served 4 years in 79th C H of C

enlisted 43rd Battalion Canadian Infantry, embarked for service with CEF in France 20.2.1916. Demobbed 12 Aug 1919

War gratuity granted - NoK at this time Mrs L Anderson Wife, 25 Talbot Avenue, Winnipeg

Another form gives NOK as Mrs Anderson 169 High St, Linlithgow, Mother.
This is then crossed through and changed to Wife with initials AL added and address 86 Richardson St, Carlisle, Scotland, dated 2.11.18
EDIT - later form gives address as 86 Richardson St, Denton Holme, Carlisle, Cumb.

He was granted leave to marry 18.10.18 when a Lance Corporal and rated Acting Sergeant 1.3.19

One form grants him a gratuity, part of which is to cover support of child of Dorothy Larkin 17 Berners Road, Wood Green at 5s a week to 12.2.1920. Payments after that to be recovered from Cpl Anderson 472 Tweed Avenue, Elmwood, Winnipeg as Canadian Government has no jurisdiction over solder after that date.

Ah ! Many pages in - Separation allowance to Mrs Jennie Anderson, 169 High Street, Linlithgow, his widowed Mother.

Address to which medals to be sent - 230 Carlton Street, Winnipeg, Manitoba possibly c/o J Hadden

Looks like soon after he arrived in France he had various bouts of appendicitis and bronchitis and was sent back to London March 1917 and then attached to APM Carlisle later that year

Will work my way through the Attestation papers -

Little else to say

Apparent age on enlistment 27 yr 6 months

Fresh complexion, Grey Eyes, Dark hair. 5' 11"
Chest expands from 36 to 38 1/2 "

Scar behind Left arm and one defective tooth

Certified fit for Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force on 24 Dec 1916 at Winnipeg

Despite this record saying ALLISTER L Anderson I wonder - her initials L on Military records and he is in the Carlisle area. Not seeing anything else.

England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

MarriageFinder ™
ALLISTER L ANDERSON married one of these people
Lilian Henderson
Spouse's last name Henderson
District Carlisle
District number -
County Cumberland
Country England
Volume 10B
Volume as transcribed 10B
Page number 1093

The first part looks as though it's him widowed Mother Jeanie Anderson - Jane
So was that in 1918 Their address was !69 High St in 1901

The Marriage Allister and Anderson both surnames?
or Allister L Anderson ?

1921
Name: Allister L Anderson
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1888
Birth Place: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Lillian Anderson
Father Birth Place: Scotland
Mother Birth Place: Scotland
Year of Immigration: 1909
Racial or Tribal Origin: Scotch (Scotish)
Province or Territory: Manitoba
District: Winnipeg Centre
District Number: 38
Sub-District: Winnipeg (City)
Sub-District Number: 24
City, Town or Village: Winnipeg (City)
Section Number: 729 Willington Ave
Occupation: Carpenter
Income: 1900
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Allister L Anderson 33
Lillian Anderson 26

ANDERSON

ALEXANDER LIDDL

M

1887

668/ 197

Linlithgow

1891
Name: Robert Anderson
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Anderson
Gender: Male
Where born: Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire
Registration Number: 668
Registration district: Linlithgow
Civil Parish: Linlithgow
Town: Linlithgow
County: West Lothian
Address: 9 Leon Well Wynd
Occupation: Carter
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 82
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1891_326
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Anderson 32
Jane Anderson 30
William Anderson 5
Alexander Anderson 3
Alexander Liddle 34 wifes brother

You should just read through the notes - The NOK address for Mother at 169 High Street is at enlistment in 1916. It was not altered until post marriage in late 1918 to make NOK his wife, so unless just not changed before that I would expect his Mother to still be at that address at least until the NOK was changed.

The marriage is from freebmd and the names are laid out in the same way as other marriages so Allister L Anderson married Lillian Henderson

Just wondering where 17 Brenner Road Wood Green is pitty it didn't say the sex and how old the child was
Checked and his father did die 1914 so that matches what has been found
It would appear he stayed in Canada

Bearing in mind the address that his NOK was changed to on marriage - I wonder if this is Lilian or at least related as living in Denton Holme

1911 Census For England & Wales
19 Colville Street Denton Holme Carlisle, Carlisle, Cumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Henderson Head Married Male 46 1865 Railway Worker Engine Driver Cumberland Carlisle
Jane Henderson Wife Married Female 46 1865 - Cumberland Carlisle
Isabell Henderson Daughter Single Female 18 1893 Servant Domestic Cumberland Carlisle
Lilian Jane Henderson Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Weaver Cumberland Carlisle
Mary Henderson Daughter - Female 11 1900 - Cumberland Carlisle
Thomas William Henderson Son - Male 9 1902 - Cumberland Carlisle

the 1921 Canadian census says Lilian immigrated in 1909 (same as Alexander/Allister) but may not be correct
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there is also a Lilian Henderson in Cockermouth.

1911 Census For England & Wales
Walker Street Cockermouth, Cockermouth, Cumberland, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William George Henderson Head Married Male 45 1866 Drapers Traveller Cumberland Carlisle
Elizabeth Henderson Wife Married Female 40 1871 - Cumberland Maryport
Lillian Henderson Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Shop Assistant Cumberland Carlisle
Dorothy Henderson Daughter - Female 12 1899 School Cumberland Carlisle
John Henderson Son - Male 8 1903 - Cumberland Carlisle
William George Henderson Son - Male 5 1906 - Cumberland Stanwix
Mamie Henderson Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Cumberland Stanwix
Margaret Henderson Daughter - Female 1 1910 - Lancashire Bolton

Sorry I'm getting confused (doesn't take much) Are you saying this Allister is Alexander , and if so the marriage is correct and the Canadian census is correct

Wood Green is North London. His documents show he was in London March 1917 for approx 6 months

Personally I wouldn't dismiss the two being the same person. Marriage certificate would hopefully verify.

Only other Al* L Anderson born Scotland 1887 +/- 2 years -
Alexander Lorim Anderson 1889 Monifieth
No Allister or variation

Alasdair is Gaelic for Alexander.

The name is also spelled in many Anglicised ways, including Allister as above.

His birth - 1887,not 1888:

ANDERSON
ALEXANDER LIDDL. . .
M
1887
668/ 197
Linlithgow

If you buy credits on Scotlands People (minimum 30 credits for £7.50) you can view the image of the original document for 6 credits.

It will tell you his parents' names, and the date and place of their marriage.

I know his parents they are Robert Anderson And Jane Liddle married 1885 Linlithgow, I wanted to make sure the military records on Ancestry were for Alexander , which is what we have found out but in doing so we found he was paying maintenance for a child .

Can we get a later census 1931? just see if he is still calling himself Allister and if he had children Then I think we-you have helped me as much as you can

Ancestry shows last census for Canada online is 1921

Ok thank you for your help

CEF http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B0140-S015
420702 Enlisted 24/12/1914@Winnipeg MB Discharged 12/8/1919
Served with 43rd bn, 9th Inf Bde, 3rd Can Div
The 3rd div was complete by late March 1916, except for artillery - it borrowed the Indian Lahore Div's arty until mid-July 1916.

I didn't see a Veterans Death Card for him


Canada has a 92 y closure on censuses, so 1931 would be released June 2023.
Then the census has to be digitized, transcribed, indexed, and index matched to image.
That lot took abt 9m for the 1926 prairie census.

1921 http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=pdf&id=e002889942
1926 http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=census1926&op=pdf&id=e011230395

He appears as Alexander for the CEF and 1926.
1926 gives d.o.immig as 1910 for him, 1919 for Lillian - no kids on census.

No hits in 1916 - not surprising - one usually only sees serving military (with a C or an O in col 4) when they're missing from a family

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Wood Green tube station is on the N side of Lordship Lane at its junction with the High Rd.
50 m to E, Berners Rd runs N off Lordship La. It's a short street, maybe 200m long.
You can look up Berners Road at:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/
The Wood Green one is in London N 22

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Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)
Daley John Carlisle 10b 733
>>Henderson William Carlisle 10b 733
Leanord Ellen Carlisle 10b 733
>>Townson Jane Carlisle 10b 733



HENDERSON, JOSEPH TOWNSON
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 499

HENDERSON, THOMAS TOWNSON
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 484
HENDERSON, THOMAS 0
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 309

HENDERSON, JEMIMA TOWNSON
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 493

HENDERSON, ISABELLA TOWNSON
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 528

HENDERSON, LILY JANE TOWNSON
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 523

HENDERSON, THOMAS WILLIAM TOWNSON
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 545
HENDERSON, THOMAS WILLIAM 0
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 331

HENDERSON, MARY LIZZIE TOWNSON
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 580

HENDERSON, THOMAS WILLIAM TOWNSON
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 620

TOWNSON, MARY 70
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 364


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4NBK-JPZ
Event Date: 1891
County: Cumberland
Parish: Caldewgate
Ecclesiastical Parish: St James
Registration District: Carlisle
Sub-District: St Mary
Registration Number: RG12 Piece/Folio: 4290/ 19 Page Number: 32

Jane Henderson Head Female 28 Cumberland, England M Cotton Weaver
Joseph Henderson Son Male 7 Cumberland, England
Mema Henderson Daughter Female 2 Cumberland, England
Mary Townson Mother Female 64 Cumberland, England W Retired Domestic Servant


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSVJ-KKR
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Carlisle Holy Trinity, Cumberland, England, United Kingdom
County: Cumberland
Civil Parish: Carlisle Caldewgate
Ecclesiastical Parish: St James
Sub-District: St Mary
Registration District: Carlisle
Schedule Type: 71
Registration Number: RG13 Piece/Folio: 4868/?
Page Number: 14

William Henderson Head Male 37 Carlisle, Cumberland RAILWAY LUGGAGE PORTER
Jane Henderson Wife Female 37 Carlisle, Cumberland
Joseph Henderson Son Male 17 Carlisle, Cumberland ASSISTANT RAILWAY SIGNALMAN
Gimima Henderson Daughter Female 12 Carlisle, Cumberland
Isabell Henderson Daughter Female 8 Carlisle, Cumberland
Lilian Henderson Daughter Female 6 Carlisle, Cumberland
Mary L Henderson Daughter Female 1 Carlisle, Cumberland






Ancestry has the following, but I have no sub, so I can't check images

All Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 results
Name Birth Year Arrival Date Arrival Port Departure Port Vessel
Alexander Anderson 1888 1919 St Johns, Newfoundland, Canada Liverpool, England Tunisian
Lillian Anderson 1896 23 Mar 1919 St Johns, Newfoundland, Canada Liverpool, England Tunisian

In 1919, Newfoundland was not part of Canada, but a seperate Dominion/
I would have expected them to travel to Canada, (e.g., Halifax NS or St John NB - Quebec City would not be ice-free in March).
Maybe Newfoundland was unplanned, forced by weather, or mechanical problems,
I don't know abt 1919, but today I'ld have a 900km trip across Nfld, then a 7h ferry ride from Port aux Basques to North Sydney NS, where I presume I'd have rail connections to western Canada.

The 1919 travel record posted above by mgnv gives the following details:

The whole page is headed "Returning Canadians".

Alexander Anderson, 31, married, born in Canada.
Destination: c/o GPO, Montreal.
106 [406 ?] Gordon Avenue. [I'm not sure if that's the GPO address or not - I guess it is.]

Lillian Anderson, 23, married,.
Country of [birth ?]: England.
Same destination as Alexander.

Aubridge L, 1, female, single, Scotland.
Same address.


This will be the birth of that child:

ANDERSON
AUTERDIGE LILLI
F
1918
644/21 291
Govan


The column headings are very blurred on the 1919 travel record, and I can't really make them out.
One column has the answer "yes" for Alexander, "no" for Lillian, and is blank for the child. [EDIT: "Have you ever been in Canada before?"]

One column has "yes" for all three. [EDIT: "Do you (something - probably "intend") to permanently (something - probably "reside") in Canada? ]

Two more columns have "yes" for the parents and "no" for the child. [ EDIT: from previous pages I see that those columns are for "Can you read" or "write".]

Got the birth certificate for Auterdige Lillian Anderson but it has father Alexander Anderson a steel furnaceman mother EmilyLillian Anderson Ms Toger (that's what it looks like) So it would appear she something doesn't fit?

This is the marriage of that couple;

ANDERSON
ALEXANDER
TOZER
EMILY LILLIAN
1917
644/20 29
Plantation


TOZER, EMILY LILIAN mms BATESON
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 21


So it looks like the Alexander Anderson who travelled to Canada in 1919 is not your Alexander Liddle Anderson - especially as it seems he was born in Canada, not Linlithgow..