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Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish marriages 1538-1910

First name(s) James Sylvester
Last name Carlan
Age 28y
Marriage year 1873
Marriage date 09 Jan 1873
Marriage place Coppenhall
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Purcell
Spouse's age 22y
Bride's father's name Joseph Purcell
City or town Coppenhall
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 2 p 48
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish marriages 1538-1910
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain


james sylvester is a photografer

not a shoemaker

The James in the workhouse in 1891 (mentioned in Sylann's OP ) is a licensed victualler.

Different man ? - or just one who changed his occupation frequently ?


James Carlan
in the 1891 England Census
Name: James Carlan
Gender: Male
Age: 45
Relationship: Inmate
Birth Year: 1846
Birth Place: Manchester
Civil Parish: Withington
Residence Place: Withington, Lancashire, England
Sub Registration District: Didsbury
ED, Institution or Vessel: Chorlton Union Workhouse (1)
Neighbors:
Piece: 3164
Folio: 105

On the Manchester Workhouse Registers, James Carlan, Date of Admission, 29/8/90, From Whence Admitted, Hulme. Discharged or Dead, Died May 5 91.


Manchester Rate Books 1706-1900

(1883, could be him, 316, Stretford Road, Hulme)

(not there 1881, Uninhabited)

Chris :)

Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Marriages 1538-1910 (Find My Past)

Photographer reference from image on above.


73, Bridge Street reference, Newspaper article, seemed to be headquarters of Mutual Sick Benefit Association, looking at other articles relating to address.

Chris :)

(was below his Father?)


Carlan, Redman (Lab., age 67).
Died at 7ct Smith Square, Bailey Lane; Buried on January 22, 1886 in Roman Catholic ground;
Grave Number 152, Section FF of City Road Cemetery, Sheffield.
Parent or Next of Kin if Available: . Remarks: .
Plot Owner: ~ ~ of ~. Page No 238
Find Similar in Same Grave

(also 4 other Carlan in same Grave)

http://www.sheffieldindexers.com/


22 October 1869 - Sheffield Daily Telegraph - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Sheffield Town Hall
Assaulting Police-constables. Elizabeth Carlan and Redman Carlan, were charged with drunkenness, riotous conduct, and assaulting a police-constable, were each fined 40s. and costs, or one month's imprisonment.


13 October 1869 - Sheffield Daily Telegraph - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Sheffield Town Hall
James Carlan, who had been apprehended in Manchester on the previous day, was charged with having committed a most violent assault on a police constable Hudson, in Cambridge Street, Sheffield, in March last.


20 October 1869 - Sheffield Independent - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Sheffield Town Hall
The Assault on a Police-constable in Cambridge street. — A stylishly-attired man, named James Carlan, stated to be a pedestrian residing in Manchester, was charged with being concerned in the savage assault upon Police-constable Hudson ...”


Deaths Jun 1891 (>99%)
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Carlan James 46 Chorlton 8c 604


Withington Workhouse Death Register (Find My Past)

Date of Death, 5/5/1891. Age 46. From what Parish admitted, Hulme. Where Buried, Bradford.

Saw a reference Withington, somewhere earlier in 'Thread'...

Chris :)

06 February 1891 - Sheffield Evening Telegraph - Sheffield, Yorkshire,

Boxing
ILLNESS OF FAMOUS SPRINTER.
James Carlan, of Sheffield, the famous sprint runner, is still lying in a dangerous condition, in No 3A Ward of the Withington Hospital, near Manchester, suffering from paralysis of both legs. Carlan writes us that he would be extremely glad if any of his old friends could furnish him with the address of any of his relatives.


11 April 1890 - Sheffield Independent - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

(another article on him refers to him 'having a wife, and five little children'...
was seen in Crumpsall Infirmary, near Manchester, lying in a bed, suffering from paralysis of lower part of body, with both legs being useless. He had once jumped clean over Hyde Park wall, Sheffield. The doctors were to order an electropathic belt, but he had no funds to purchase)

(also, Pedestrian, Trainer)

(google bringing up quite a few references, Sheffield, pedestrianism, one famous one, being George Littlewood)

Thank you for that Redmond /Raymond and Mary were James Sylvesters parents
Radmond died 1886 On James's daughter birth 1888 it had he was a bootmaker.

It's as thought we're talking about 2 different people , yes they were drinker but not heard anything about him sprinting The workhouse doubled up as a hospital, and they had 4/5 children


I'll have to look into this

Thank you

Could you tell me where you got the info from I've put his name sprinter Sheffield nothing is coming up


Thank you

From Newspapers, FMP (also available through Genes)

(or below, subscriptions needed for all)

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

(always worth using Newspapers, a valuable source for Family History!)


https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/account/subscribe

(subscription prices on above)

Chris :)

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/home/libraries-archives/access-archives-local-studies-library

(would have thought more perhaps at above Archives)

No help with 1881 though...


Edits (just to add, on 1899 Maria Carlan/John William Ramsbottom Marriage, a witness, Lizzie Carlan, her Residence, 75, Belle Vue St. 1902 Elizabeth Carlan/PaulDuggan Marriage, a witness John William Ramsbottom, her Residence, 23, Belle Vue St.


1891 census, Maria Carlan, Visitor, Coppenhall. Marriage 1873 (image FMP) for John Purcell/Emma Louisa Martin, his Father, Joseph Purcell occ. Shoemaker, a witness Maria Purcell)

(Maria and John, siblings of Elizabeth Purcell, perhaps)


1911 (Find My Past)
John William Ramsbottom Head Married Male 35 1876 General Engineering Manchester Lancs
Maria Ramsbottom Wife Married Female 30 1881 - Manchester Lancs
Harold Ramsbottom Son Single Male 11 1900 Johnstone St Board School Manchester Lancs
Beatrice Ramsbottom Daughter Single Female 9 1902 Ashton Old Rd Board School Manchester Lancs
John Ramsbottom Son Single Male 7 1904 - Manchester Lancs
James Ramsbottom Son Single Male 5 1906 - Manchester Lancs
520 Mill St Bradford Manchester, North Manchester, Lancashire
(says Married 12yrs, 4 children born, 4 living)


Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------------
CARLAN Maria Chorlton 8c 1347
Ramsbottom John William Chorlton 8c 1347


Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Macdonald Thomas N Ramsbottom Prestwich 8d 808
Ramsbottom Maria Macdonald Prestwich 8d 808


Deaths Sep 1967 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------
Mcdonald Maria 87 Manchester 10e 336


(Maria Mcdonald 1967, Blackley Cemetery)

https://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/

Thank you

I'll have a look later at the archives

Name: Beatrice Carlan
Age: 0
Birth Date: 27 Sep 1888
Baptism Date: 10 Oct 1888
Baptism Place: Collyhurst, Albert Memorial Church, Manchester, England

Father: James Carlan******************Bootmaker
Mother: Elizabeth Carlan
Reference Number: M140/1/27/4
Item Number: 14
Archive Roll: 513

If this has been posted before, don't shoot me down in flames. Haven't scrutinised every post

And I know it doesn't help with 1881!

We need to know which - if any - of the daughters is your PROVEN relative, Sylann.

In view of your other thread about the HORNBY family - is this the connection?

Name: Beatice Carlan
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 19
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1888
Marriage Date: 6 Apr 1907
Marriage Place: West Gorton, St Mark, Lancashire, England
Father: James Sylvester Carlan *********Shoemaker, deceased
Spouse: Foster Hornby

Yes that is the connection with the Hornby Family, Foster is my grandfathers brother.
I don't shoot any body down in Flames I admire the help that is given.

Are the Ramsbottom family familiar to you?...

Chris :)

Edits (Maria Mcdonald 1967, Blackley Cemetery)

https://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/

(should be about for 1939 Register)

Apparently Maria married John Ramsbottom Maria is? the sister of Beatrice who married Foster Hornby my grandfathers brother. The relation I'm in touch with didn't have any thing to do with the Carlan, Another person I'm in touch with is Maria's granddaughter, she has photos but nothing for her until her marriage and remembering she refered to her as nanny Mac (Mac short for Macdonell her 2nd husband) I thought the 1881 census would link the family together and find out if Mary Ellen And Maria were the same person or two different people

But it would appear the 1881 census is missing for them!!

Not sure if if I've missed something in 'Thread', where did you get the Mary Ellen 1875 reference from?...1891 seeing James, Elizabeth and Beatrice, with Mother Elizabeth. Maria being with John Purcell and wife as Visitor (possibly Uncle)

Chris :)

I think Mary Ellen has been taken from trees on Ancestry, which show a Mary Ellen in the family - but (as Shirley pointed out earlier) it's a mistake.
This seems to be the birth and death of that child:

CARLAN, MARY ELLEN mms ORMANDY
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 135

Deaths Sep 1875 (>99%)
CARLIN Mary Ellen 0 Salford 8d 23

I don't think we have the birth reg. yet for Mary A (Maria A) ?

Apologies if we have it already..............


GARLAND, MARY ANN PURCELL
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 439

Dea x

(yes, came across it Dea, but wasn't sure, I was looking round on below the other day in case anything related, could be a possibility!)

Chris :)

http://www.sheffieldindexers.com/ParishBaptismIndex.html

Edits (from FMP below, no image)

Garland Mary Ann 1884 — 1884 Yorkshire Burials Sheffield, City Road Cemetery, Yorkshire (West Riding), England (16th April)

Yes I saw that and some one has it on ancestry who is the gr granddaughter BUT the fathers name was Jacob ? so I'm not convinced,
Apparently according to Who do you think you are last night the catholic register was written in Latin and Maria Anne was Mary Ann in English,

Also all the children were born in Manchester


I don't think we will find the 1881 census Thank you all for you time and all the info you have found for me

I'll close this thread now and go to the other one

Jacob/Jacobi is latin for James on the RC register!! - the registers were in latin !!

Dea x