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Hi all,
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I have an ancestor Thomas Seale who would appear to have been married 3 times. (Born abt 1826 died 1873 Weobley)

First Wife - Mary Underwood Died 1853 Weobley married 1849.

Second Wife (my direct line) Ann Palmer Born 1832 Died 1870 Weobley married 1858.

Third Wife - Catherine Bebb Born 1839. I have a marriage certificate for her and Thomas in 1871 where her name is Catherine Preece. I have then found 2 other marriages for her I think. One to a James Preece in 1865 and one to Samuel Carpenter in 1874. My conundrum is that on both of these marriages she would appear to be called Caroline (Bebb). I cannot find records for a Catherine. I think they are the same person but I just worry that in these small villages multiple branches of the same family have the same name and its odd that she would use a different name for only one of the marriages. What are your thoughts on this?

Also Thomas lists a father on the marriage certificates for his first and third marriage but does not on the one to Ann Palmer which is also a strange anomaly that makes me question if it is the same person. Any ideas?

Thanks you for you help/advice/ideas/thoughts.

Who does she name as her father on the certificates

As for Thomas father maybe the registrar didn’t see for his fathers name as he was over 21

She is Caroline on the 1841 census

Caroline Bebb
Age: 14 Mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Gender: Female
Where born: Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Monkland
Hundred: Stretford
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Leominster
Sub-registration district: Bodenham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 426
Book: 20
Folio: 3
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bebb 25
Hannah Bebb 25
Caroline Bebb 14 Mo

Is that Thomas below?...

Chris :)

Herefordshire Baptisms (Find My Past)
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Seal
Sex Male
Baptism year 1827
Baptism date 21 Jan 1827
Place Weobley
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Seal
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
County Herefordshire


First name(s) Caroline
Last name Bebb
Sex Female
Baptism year 1837
Baptism date 21 May 1837
Place Leominster
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Bebb
Mother's first name(s) Ann


First name(s) Catharine
Last name Bebb
Sex Female
Baptism year 1828
Baptism date 18 May 1828
Place Kington
Father's first name(s) Jeremiah
Father's last name Bebb
Mother's first name(s) Mary

And the 1871 census

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Name: Caroline Preece
[Caroline Bebb]
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: 1840
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Monkland Herefordshire England
Civil Parish: Dilwyn
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Weobley
Sub-registration district: Dilwyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 27
Piece: 2707
Folio: 28
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bebb 56
Hannah Bebb 55
Caroline Preece 31 widow
Samuel Carpamter 33 lodger
Edward T Powles 2

Edit
Based on reg district and ages this could be the hubbies death


Dec qtr1869
Preece James 36 Weobly 6a 378

Hi,

Father is named as John Bebb.
Thanks

Ah she married a James preece

Caroline Bebb
Gender: Female
Age: 25
Birth Date: 1840
Marriage Date: 24 Oct 1865
Marriage Place: Dilwyn, Hereford, England
Father: John Bebb
Spouse: James Preece
FHL Film Number: 994227
Reference ID: 2:39MTVZL

Yes apart from the spelling (there are both Seal and Seale locally) this is the baptism I have been looking at.

Herefordshire Baptisms (Find My Past)
First name(s) Thomas
Last name Seal
Sex Male
Baptism year 1827
Baptism date 21 Jan 1827
Place Weobley
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Seal
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
County Herefordshire

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Name: Saml Carpenter
Gender: Male
Age: 53
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1838
Spouse: Caroline Carpenter
Child: William Carpenter
Birth Place: Dilwyn, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Weobley
Residence Place: Treville, Weobley, Herefordshire, England
Sub Registration District: Weobley
ED, Institution or Vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2067
Folio: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Saml Carpenter 53
Caroline Carpenter 51
William Carpenter 12
Mary Ann Powell 6 adopted daughter


CARPENTER, WILLIAM BEBB
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in WEOBLEY Volume 06A Page 533
CARPENTER, WILLIAM

1881census

Samuell Carpenter
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Caroline Carpenter
Gender: Male
Where born: Dilwyn, Hereford, England
Civil Parish: Dilwyn
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address: Haven
Marital status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Road Labourer
Registration district: Weobley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2600
Folio: 30
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuell Carpenter 43
Caroline Carpenter 41
Mary Fanney Seall 7. >>>>>>
John Carpenter 6
Sanuell Carpenter 4
William Carpenter 2



SEALE, MARY FANNY BEBB
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in WEOBLEY Volume 06A Page 523

Samuel Carpenter
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Birth Date: 1837
Marriage Date: 1874
Marriage Place: Dilwyn, Hereford, England
Father: Samuel Carpenter
Spouse: Caroline Seale
FHL Film Number: 994227
Reference ID: 2:39MTXT4

They are still together in 1901

Samuel Carpenter
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Caroline Carpenter
Birth Place: Dilwyn, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Standish with Langtree
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Ecclesiastical parish: Standish St Wilfred
Town: Standish
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Standish
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3547
Folio: 84
Page Number: 43
Household schedule number: 251
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Carpenter 61
Caroline Carpenter 61
Mary Fanny Morris 27
John Carpenter 26
Samuel Carpenter 24
William Carpenter 22
Mary Ann Dowel 16
Edith May Morris 8

So Caroline Bebb is not Catherine Bebb

Out of interest why do you conclude this? - So Caroline Bebb is not Catherine Bebb


Looking at this Mary Fanny Morris 27 is Mary Fanney Seall 7.

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Name Mary Fanny Seale Gender Female Age 20 Birth Date 09 Aug 1892 Marriage Place Standish, Lancashire, England Father Thomas Seale Spouse John Morris

So this would appear to be Catherine and Thomas's child (Mary Fanny Seale) living with Caroline and Samuel. Which would point me to thinking they are the same person?

I was looking at the marriage to James preece and got confused that he was supposed to be Thomas

Soooo it would seem she married Thomas seale as Catherine not Caroline

If that cert says her father was John Bebb then it must be her

Sorry for the confusion I got lost too :-(

So many marriages. :-D

Would be below...

Chris :)

Marriage: 9 Aug 1892 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England
John Morris - 39, Labourer, Bachelor, Standish
Mary Fanny Seale - 20, Domestic Servant, Spinster, Standish
Groom's Father: Thomas Morris, Deceased, Labourer
Bride's Father: Thomas Seale, Deceased, Miller
Witness: William Henry Seale; Fannie Seale
Married by Banns by: C. W. N. Hutton, Rector
Register: Marriages 1880 - 1900, Page 154, Entry 307
Source: LDS Film 1526141


Burial: 20 Apr 1922 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England
Caroline Carpenter -
Age: 82 years
Abode: 19 Heaton Street Standish
Buried by: Under burial laws amendment act
Register: Burials 1905 - 1943, Page 190, Entry 1515
Source: Original Register

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html


Edits

1911 (Find My Past)
Samuel Carpenter Head Married Male 76 1835 Farm Labourer Herefordshire Dilwyn
Caroline Carpenter Wife Married Female 71 1840 - Herefordshire Monkland Leominster
John Carpenter Son Single Male 36 1875 Coal Miner Hewer Herefordshire Dilwyn
(says Married 36 yrs, 3 children born, 3 living)
78 High St Standish Wigan, Standish with Langtree, Lancashire


Burial: 18 Sep 1913 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England
Samuel Carpenter -
Age: 76 years
Abode: 19 Heaton Street Standish
Buried by: Interred under the Burial Laws Amendment Act 1880
Register: Burials 1905 - 1943, Page 94, Entry 750
Source: Original Register


Marriage: 9 Feb 1907 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England
William Carpenter - 27, Collier, Bachelor, Heaton St. Standish
Rose Hannah Radford - 23, Pit Brow Girl, Spinster, 67 Preston Rd. Standish
Groom's Father: Samuel Carpenter, Labourer
Bride's Father: Leonard William Radford, (deceased), Collier
Witness: Samuel Carpenter; Emily Pye
Married by Banns by: C.W.N. Hutton Rector Rector
Register: Marriages 1900 - 1908, Page 101, Entry 202
Source: Original Register


Marriage: 5 Oct 1912 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England
John Carpenter - 37, Collier, Bachelor, 78 High Street Standish
Annie Harrison - 26, Pit bank girl, Spinster, 19 Heaton Street Standish
Groom's Father: Samuel Carpenter, Farm Labourer
Bride's Father: Thomas Harrison, Collier
Witness: William Carpenter; Ellen Leigh
Married by Banns by: C. W. N. Hutton Rector
Register: Marriages 1908 - 1923, Page 65, Entry 130
Source: Original Register


Marriage: 27 Sep 1902 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England
Benjamin Harrison - 32, Farm Labourer, Bachelor, Standish
Mary Fanny Morris - 29, Widow, Standish
Groom's Father: William Harrison, (deceased), Grocer
Bride's Father: Thomas Seale, (deceased), Labourer
Witness: William Henry Seale; Mary Ann Powell
Married by Banns by: W.A.Parker Curate
Register: Marriages 1900 - 1908, Page 34, Entry 67
Source: Original Register


Burial: 10 Sep 1900 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England
John Morris -
Age: 47 years
Abode: Standish
Notes: Interred under the Burial Act
Register: Burials 1891 - 1905, Page 129, Entry 1030
Source: Original Register


Baptism: 9 Sep 1894 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Edith May Newman Morris - [Child] of John Morris & Mary Fanny
Born: 25 May 1892
Abode: Standish
Occupation: Gardener
Baptised by: H. W. M. Gunning Curate
Register: Baptisms 1893 - 1896, Page 128, Entry 1019
Source: LDS Film 1885674

Oh thanks Chris.

Witness: William Henry Seale; Fannie Seale - this couple I know to be my decedent