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Thanks Chris but. as far as I am aware - no.

Dea - odd that. In fact the whole page has been altered on the original as there are many additions in a different pen but no Montgomeryshire

I have not done badly with this family considering the surname! I am fairly happy I have got them all from William & Elizabeth (1st Wife) & Martha (2nd wife & Elizabeth's sister) onwards thanks to wills and gravestones.

Just wondered if I could get any further back. I will try to concentrate on the Williams line instead

Lol, Mr Invisible about I think!...

Chris :)

This one wasn't another Son was he?, at 25, Rileys Gardens...

Thomas Thomas Head Married Male 39 1812 Ship Keeper Caernarvonshire, Wales
Ellen Thomas Wife Married Female 37 1814 Ship Keeper's Wife Caernarvonshire, Wales
Catherine Thomas Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 Ship Keeper's Daughter Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Griffith Thomas Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Cotton Broker's Warehouseman Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Jones Visitor Unmarried Male 34 1817 Mariner Caernarvonshire, Wales

I did see the 'Llanidloes Montgomeryshire' on the 1851 transcription but if you look on the actual image this does not actually appear on there so I don't know where the transcriber got it from ???

Dea x

You say you have everything on William except 1881.
I assume that means you've found him in 1891 - where was he then, please?

Can you copy/paste the 1891 census for him - again, there are lots of William Joneses born 1830-34 in Liverpool.
Most of them are married.
None of them is a cooper or related occupation.

thanks Chris. That was also the suggestion from another site. I do have have FMP so had not seen their transcription.

They must have moved out of Ryleys Garden possibly after Elizabeth died in 1878. I have her grave photo where she is buried with her grandchildren in Kirkby.

Just looking at image...

Would it be as below, but with an extra 'd'?...

From google...Llanidloes is a town and community on the A470 and B4518 roads in Powys, within the historic county boundaries of Montgomeryshire, Wales.

Chris :)

1851 (Find My Past)
John Jones Head Married Male 60 1791 Mariner Llanidloes, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Elizabeth Jones Wife Married Female 60 1791 Mariner's Wife Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Jones Lodger Unmarried Male 45 1806 Mariner Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales
Elizabeth Jones Wife Married Female 50 1801 Mariner's Wife Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Margaret Jones Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1832 Mariner's Daughter Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Jones Son Unmarried Male 9 1842 Mariner's Son Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
5, Rileys Gardens, Liverpool, Lancashire


Edits (as below for address 1881)

Grace Gray Head Widow Female 39 1842 Office Cleaner Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Frances Gray Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Litherland, Lancashire, England
David Thompson Lodger Single Male 19 1862 Picture Frame Maker Jamaica
Sarah Read Lodger Widow Female 32 1849 Cleaner Of Cocoa Rooms Neston, Cheshire, England
5, Ryleys Gardens, Liverpool, Lancashire

I can't find another marriage which would fit

Llanddulas seems reasonable as he was a mariner - thanks Dea

could william have married again

I think it says Llanddulas ??


Llanddulas is a village in Conwy county borough, Wales, midway between Old Colwyn and Abergele

Dea x

thanks Malyon but I have everything on Martha & William except where William was in 1881. Martha died in 1874 - always living in Liverpool from birth to death

Chris - on that 1851 census you found for John Jones age 60 at 5 Ryleys Gardens can you interpret where in Wales he was born - I can't decipher it. It is definitely my family

could this be matha in 1881

Martha Jones
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name:
Martha Jones
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1881
Event Place:
Chorlton Upon Medlock, Lancashire, England
Registration District:
Chorlton
Residence Note:
Bedford St
Gender:
Female
Age:
45
Marital Status:
Single
Occupation:
Housekeeper
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Birth Year (Estimated):
1836
Birthplace:
Manchester, Lancashire, England
Page Number:
21
Registration Number:
RG11
Piece/Folio:
3914/14
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Martha Jones Head Female 45 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Jno Baker Boarder Male 38 Tamworth, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Baker Boarder Female 29 Prestwich M Cr, England
Florence Baker Boarder Female 4 York, England

Thank you.

Yes it is my William. Elizabeth I am fairly certain is mis-transcribed as I am sure she was Williams wife by then. She died between 1853 & 1858 when William then married her sister Martha (took me a long time to sort that one!)

I have everything on him except 1881 and as the family lived at Ryleys Gardens for at least 20 years I thought it was worth a try to see who was there in 1841 & 1881

And 1871, for our reference:

William Jones
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Jones
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: 1832
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool Lancashire England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 34
Piece: 3771
Folio: 94
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Jones 75
William Jones 39 - cooper
Martha Jones 35
John Jones 17

Can you give us the YOB's of any of your Joneses, please, to enable us to find them on the censuses?

There are dozens of Thomas Joneses in Liverpool!

Is this William ??

William Jones
in the 1851 England Census
Name: William Jones
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 22
Piece: 2190
Folio: 318
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Martha Williams 42
Elizabeth Williams 21
Richard Williams 17
Martha Williams 14
William Jones 21
William Jones 1


EDIT:

Yes, this is William in 1861, at Ryley's Gardens:



William Jones
in the 1861 England Census
Name: William Jones
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: 1832
Relation: Son
Spouse's name: Martha Jones
Mother's name: Elizabeth Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 5 Ryleys Gardens
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 11f
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 2668
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Jones 70
William Jones 29
Martha Jones 24
John Jones 7

Thanks Chris - there are so many Jones named William/John/Elizabeth

That is my family in 1851 - trying to trace what happened to William (who was there in 1861 & 71 but living with in-laws in Kirkdale in 1851)

I suspect John & Thomas were related

Not this poor man was it!...

Chris :)

04 January 1848 - Liverpool Mercury - Liverpool, Lancashire, England

On Friday, Thomas Jones, of Riley's gardens, Tithebarn-street, fell from the fourth story of Mr. Harboard's warehouse. Prince's Dock, and, besides bruising his head, severely injured his hip.


Edits (5, Rileys Gardens, Liverpool 1851, is a Thomas Jones (Mariner), with a John and Elizabeth Jones)


https://www.lswlfhs.org.uk/census/Streets1841/41Streetindex.htm

(Ryleys on above)

https://www.lswlfhs.org.uk/census/Streets1851/Streetindex.htm

(Rileys on above)

John is last name - bar an empty line - at the bottom of a right hand page and then Esther and Edmund are top 2 of a left hand page.

Piece and book are the same. Folio and Page are different.

I wonder if they are actually at the same house but somehow recorded wrongly. However it is a fairly common name I would have thought.

And then at a different 5 Rylies Gardens(spelling on original) Ryles on transcript

Esther Parry 35
Edmund Parry 1 both born in County

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ryleys Gardens, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Esther Parry Female 35 1806 Lancashire, England
Edmund Parry Male 13 1828 Lancashire, England
Esther Parry's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

First name(s) Esther
Last name Parry
Sex Female
Age 35
Birth year 1806
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place (other) England
House name -
House number -
Street Ryleys Gardens
Parish or township Liverpool
Town -
City or borough Liverpool
Registration district Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Occupation -
Family member first name(s) Edmund
Family member last name Parry
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 556
Book number 27
Folio number 13
Page number 19
Record set

Thank you

I have 1851/61/71 to my Jones family (nightmare!)

Please could you tell me if they were still there in 1881

5 Ryleys Gardens in 1841 (spelt same way on original and transcript)

John Parry 35 Carter not b in County

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ryleys Gardens, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Parry Male 35 1806 -
John Parry's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

First name(s) John
Last name Parry
Sex Male
Age 35
Birth year 1806
Birth county -
Birth place (other) -
House name -
House number -
Street Ryleys Gardens
Parish or township Liverpool
Town -
City or borough Liverpool
Registration district Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Occupation -
Family member first name(s) -
Family member last name -
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 556
Book number 27
Folio number 12
Page number 16