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1901

Residents of a house 18 in Tullyvallen (Newtownhamilton, Armagh)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Patterson James 57 Male Head of Family Presbyterian
Patterson Martha 45 Female Wife Presbyterian
Patterson Sarah 25 Female Daughter Presbyterian
Patterson Hugh 23 Male Son Presbyterian
Patterson Mary C 16 Female Daughter Presbyterian
Patterson Lillie 13 Female Daughter Presbyterian
Patterson Emma M 10 Female Daughter Presbyterian
Patterson Annie El 7 Female Daughter Presbyterian
Patterson Samuel 4 Male Son Presbyterian
Patterson Helena Female Daughter Presbyterian

The parents' marriage:

SR District/Reg Area - Armagh

Marriage of JAMES PATTERSON and MARTHA FULTON
on 01 May 1873
Party 1 Name JAMES PATTERSON
Party 2 Name MARTHA FULTON
Date of Event 01 May 1873
Group Registration ID 2807091
SR District/Reg Area Armagh

James - bachelor, farmer, townland of Tullyvallen, parish of Newton Hamilton.
Martha: spinster, townland of Tivanachree (?), parish of Derrynoose .

James's father: Hugh Patterson, farmer
Martha's father: Isaiah (?) Fulton, farmer

That birth also on Ancestry:

James Alexander Patterson
in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Name: James Alexander Patterson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 30 Jan 1880
Birth Place: Ireland
Father: James Patterson
Mother: Martha Patterson ...N
FHL Film Number: 256043

This is the Castleblaney entry

First name(s) James Alexander
Last name Patterson
Registration year 1880
Registered quarter/year -
Registration district Castleblayney
Volume 1
Page 481
Mother's last name (original) -
County Armagh, Monaghan
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Births 1864-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Ireland

Image at https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02889/2058500.pdf

30 January 1880 at Tullyvallan.
James Alexander Patterson
Father: James Patterson, Tullyvallen, farmer.
Mother: Martha Patterson, formerly (something ending in ". . . lton" )


SR District/Reg Area - Castleblayney
Birth of JAMES PATTERSON in 1880
Name JAMES PATTERSON
Date of Birth 1880
Group Registration ID 10905839
SR District/Reg Area Castleblayney


Why do you think this is him?

That doesn't tally with his age at death. You can't manipulate the facts to suit your theories

Have you actually looked at the baptism posted on here on Aug 17th?

And you haven't said WHY you think he was born in Ireland................

Why don't you simply get a copy of his marriage cert? That should name his father

I have done further limited research and found that James Alexander Patterson was born about 1880 and not 1885 and could have been born in Castleblaney Ireland between Jan and March of that year. Still have not found exact date of birth.

The GRONI index only records first names, it does not record middle names or initials unfortunately. There were 6 births reg in 1885, but between 1884 - 1886 there were 17. Obviously some of these could be eliminated by looking at the registration districts.

There are 6 registration districts within Co Armagh, but out of all the births 1884-1886 only 1 birth in Co Armagh registered at Lurgan 8/5/1885. This one probably had a sister reg in same area, Emma born 30/1/1888. Can't see any other siblings nor a marriage for parents using those surnames.

ADDED: forget this one, it only costs 1 credit to get the rest of the index and he was James Henry Patterson. So no births in Armagh in the right timeframe unless it has been badly transcribed.

GRONI has no birth results for the name in the time-frame

Have looked at Irish records, ( FMP, census, and irish gen.ie) but he may have left before 1901 census ( and certainly did before 1911) and no birth to match that year in Armagh at least, nor an obvious travel record , several of the name but not right age or likely to be the one.

Why do you think he was born in Ireland? Do you have any documentary evidence to support the idea?

Have you looked for immigration records?

The baptism posted above matches the age at death

You could get a copy of the marriage certificate to find out his father’s name.

Thank you! You have the correct James Patterson who married Edna in South Africa. I need to try and find his date of birth maybe through Irish records.

Perhaps the one who married Edna ?? - not born in Ireland:


James Alexander Patterson
in the South Africa, Birth and Baptism Records, 1700s-1900s
Name: James Alexander Patterson
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 14 May 1884
Baptism Date: 3 Aug 1884
Baptism Place: South Africa
Father: David Alexander Patterson Patterson
Mother: Eden Martha
Officiant: James McRobert
Collection: Baptism Records Mixed

If the above marriage to Edna

just for ref only

Alexander James Patterson
mentioned in the record of Edna Lilian Pearce Patterson

Name: Alexander James Patterson
Sex: Unknown
Father: Edna Lilian Pearce Patterson
Mother: James Alexander Patterson
Other information in the record of Edna Lilian Pearce Patterson
from South Africa, Orange Free State, Estate Files

Name:
Edna Lilian Pearce Patterson
•
Event Type:
Death
Event Date:
11 Nov 1956
Event Place:
Harrismith, Orange Free State, South Africa
Event Place:
Harrismith
Age:
70
Birth Year (Estimated):
1886
Birthplace:
Pietermaritzburg
Father's Name:
Russel George Pearce
•
Mother's Name:
M E Pearce
•
Relationship to Head of Household:
Deceased
Spouse's Name:
James Alexander Patterson
•
Name of Child:
Alexander James Patterson
•
Name of Child:
Kathleen Agnes Edna Patterson


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-998L-P3L9?i=166&cc=1407787

There is a possible marriage in 1908 in Down

Do you know anything about him other than the year of death?

Could this be his marriage? :-

First name(s) James Alexander
Last name Patterson
Registration year 1921
Registration quarter Jan - Mar 1921
Registration district Lurgan
Volume 1
Page 963
MarriageFinder ™

James Alexander Patterson married one of these people

Annie Hobbs

County Antrim, Armagh, Down
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Marriages 1845-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

EDIT - Sorry, didn't see all of Rose's post where she has given a marriage in SA.

Kath. x

if you're not sure about DOB ( there are other births possible between 1880 and 1886 ish)

Did he marry in SA?

Poss, unfortunately no father's names given

James Alexander Patterson
South Africa, Natal Province, Civil Marriages, 1845-1955





Name:
James Alexander Patterson
•
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
29 Dec 1909
Event Place:
Durban, Natal, South Africa
Gender:
Male
Spouse's Name:
Edna Lilian Pearce
Spouse's Gender:
Female

Have looked at a couple of sites and only found one J.A. Patterson born about 1884 in County Armagh. Will try Irish Census.

Not sure when he came to SA. I was hoping to find more info before getting birth certificate.