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ArgyllGran
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8 Aug 2019 11:33 |
It appears that William came back to Scotland.
The tree on Ancestry thinks the 1917 marriage is the right one, and says this is his wife's death:
MCROBERT JANET MCFADYEN 68 1963 644/4 1549 Springburn
And William's death:
MCROBERT WILLIAM 74 1968 645/1 592 Glasgow
I can't see any record of William's wife Janet ever having gone to Canada.
There are a number of Glasgow ER records of a William McRobert with wife Janet.
For example: Mrs. Janet McRobert in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: Mrs. Janet McRobert [and William McRobert ] Gender: Female Residence Year: 1928 Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow
36 Rhymer Street, Springburn, Glasgow
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8 Aug 2019 11:16 |
Sister Janet's marriage:
Janet McRobert in the British Columbia, Canada, Marriage Index, 1872-1935 Name: Janet McRobert Gender: Female Spouse Name: Robert Blackburn Spouse Gender: Male Marriage Date: 23 Apr 1924 Marriage Location: Vancouver Registration Number: 1924-09-270687 BCA Number: B13747 GSU Number: 2074317
and her death:
Janet Blackburn in the Canada, Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current Name: Janet Blackburn Maiden Name: McRobert Birth Date: 17 Aug 1900 Birth Place: Scotland Death Date: 1 Mar 1957 Death Place: Nanaimo, Nanaimo Regional District, British Columbia, Canada Cemetery: Nanaimo Municipal Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Nanaimo, Nanaimo Regional District, British Columbia, Canada Has Bio?: Y
Bio: Immigrated ~ 1920. Married Robert Blackburn. Parents are Charles McRobert, born Scotland and Ellen McAlpine, born Scotland. British Columbia Death Reg. No. 1957-09-003232.
A tree on Ancestry has a nice photo of Robert and Janet Blackburn at a picnic with some other people.
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8 Aug 2019 11:13 |
I don't see William after 1920.
[ EDIT: Yes I do - this is the correct William below - see further down this post ]
There's a William McRobert from Glasgow going to Nanaimo, BC, in 1924, on the same ship as Charles and family went in 1920, but he has a wife Janet still in Glasgow - and he seems to be slightly younger. Wife's address: 296 (something? Cumberland ?) Street, Glasgow. William going to his cousin, Andrew Thomson, Box 527, Namaimo. Object in coming to Canada: Settling.
William McRobert in the Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924 Name: William McRobert Gender: Male Estimated birth year: abt 1898 Birth Place: Glasgow, Scotland Age: 26 Date of Arrival: Jun 1924 Port of Arrival: Quebec Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland Ship Name: Sicilian
William McRobert in the U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1960 Name: William McRobert Gender: Male Race/Nationality: Scottish (Scotish) Age: 27 Record Type: Manifests Birth Date: abt 1894 Birth Country: Scotland Arrival Date: Feb 1921 Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Ship Name: Canadian Pacific Railroad Residence Country: Canada Line Number: 22
I'm guessing this is his marriage:
MCROBERT WILLIAM ANDERSON JANET 1917 644/9 22 Milton
If so, he's not Charles's son, as Charles's son is single in 1920, per the travel record. (But maybe the 1920 record is wrong.)
On the 1921 border crossing record above, there's some sort of note about the ship "Cedric", and Namaimo BC, and New York, added just above William's details, which I can't make out.
That may relate to this record - which gives YOB as c1894:
William McRobert in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: William McRobert Arrival Age: 27 Birth Date: abt 1894 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 15 Feb 1921 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Cedric Shipping Line: White Star Official Number: 115354
Shop assistant. Country of last permanent residence: Canada.
EDIT:
Yes, that's the correct William above.
When the McRobert family went to Canada in 1920, they were going to Andrew Thomson:
Details on the 1920 arrival record for Charles's daughter Janet.:
Janet McRobert in the Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924 Name: Janet McRobert Gender: Female Estimated birth year: abt 1901 Birth Place: Glasgow, Scotland Age: 19 Date of Arrival: Jun 1920 Port of Arrival: Quebec Ship Name: Sicilian
Going to cousin Andrew Thomson, Box 527, Namaimo, BC. Nearest relative in home country: brother James McRobert, 171 Waddell Street, Glasgow.
So the 1920 record seems to be wrong in saying that William was single.
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Chris Ho :)
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8 Aug 2019 10:20 |
(apologies AG, I should have took notice of that 1920 Passengers posted earlier, I now see William went also!)
Chris :)
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ArgyllGran
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8 Aug 2019 09:32 |
That William T who died in 1952, isn't Charles's son. He was born c1889:
MCROBERT WILLIAM THOMAS 63 1952 571/2 3 Newton Mearns
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8 Aug 2019 06:54 |
https://www.findagraveinscotland.com/search/free_submit/
(looks like that James and Margaret on above, you need to become a Member to view)
Chris :)
Edits (notes there is a William T. 1952, wondered if he was that one in the 1901 (age 6) Census, Father Charles?)
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7 Aug 2019 21:25 |
Birth and death of James's son Walter:
Birth: MCROBERT WALTER MCLEOD M 1925 644/15 191 Hutchesontown
Death: MCROBERT WALTER MCLEOD 59 mms MCLEOD 1984 619/ 589 Glasgow, Park Circus
Birth and death of son Robert:
Birth: MCROBERT ROBERT GRAY MCL M 1932 644/17 630 Gorbals
Death: MCROBERT ROBERT GRAY MCL 84 mms MCLEOD 2017 643/ 135 Renfrew
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7 Aug 2019 14:04 |
This Glasgow death would fit with his year of birth:
MCROBERT JAMES 64 1957 644/9 291 Tradeston
Spending 6 credits to view the record on SP would let you know if it's him or not - it would give spouse's name, if any.
James, Margaret McL, and Robert McRobert all at 214 Thistle Street in 1955:
James McRobert in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: James McRobert Residence Year: 1955 Address: 4178 [ 214 Thistle Street on image ] Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire , Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow
And all still there in 1957:
Margaret M'l McRobert in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: Margaret M'l McRobert Residence Year: 1957 Address: 3823 [ 214 Thistle Street on image ] Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire , Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow
In 1958 Margaret's there on her own, so it looks like that 1957 death is the right one for James:
Margaret M'l McRobert in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: Margaret M'l McRobert Residence Year: 1958 Address: 3710 [214 Thistle Street on image ] Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire , Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow
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Sylann
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7 Aug 2019 10:23 |
Thank you for that yes I've seen the tree on ancestry I'll have a good look into this now the address for George coming over and staying at thistle st matches with his sons address
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6 Aug 2019 21:22 |
This would be his marriage, if the tree has the correct name for his wife:
MCROBERT JAMES MCLEOD MARGARET FINLAY 1916 644/15 245 Hutchesontown
And Margaret's death:
MCROBERT MARGARET FINDLA(y) 83 mms FINDLAY 1977 601/ 518 Glasgow, Martha St
But if they married in 1916, where is Margaret in 1919, when she's apparently not with James at 171 Waddell Street?
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6 Aug 2019 20:50 |
Charles Mcrobert in the 1901 Scotland Census Name: Charles Mcrobert Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Helen M Mcrobert Gender: Male Where born: trieggles, Kirkcudbrightshire Registration Number: 644/11 Registration district: Hutchesontown Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan County: Lanarkshire Address: 143 Rose St Occupation: Railway Canvasser ED: 14 Household schedule number: 148 Line: 11 Roll: CSSCT1901_308 Household Members: Name Age Charles Mcrobert 32 Helen M Mcrobert 30 James Mcrobert 8 William Mcrobert 6 Helen Mcrobert 3 Annie Hendreson 23 David Bell 22
A tree on Ancestry says James was born 13 Oct 1892, Glasgow.
However, it says he died in Glasgow, and presumably didn't go to Canada.
Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name James McRobert Residence Year 1931 Address 214 Thistle Street South Residence Place Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division Glasgow Household Members NameJames McRobert
With Mrs Margaret McRobert.
He's also there in 1950, with Mrs Margret McL, and Walter McRobert.
1919, at 171 Waddell Street, Gorbals. 1925 & 1926, 171 Waddell Street, with Mrs Margaret McRobert. 1929 and later, at 214 Thistle Street South, with Margaret.
However - It says he died 27 Oct 1950, but doesn't offer proof. I think this is the death they mean - and the age doesn't fit, not to mention spelling:
MCROBERTS JAMES 82 1950 644/10 286 Milton
So, if James went to Canada, it must have been after 1930. EDIT: No, he didn't emigrate - see later posts.
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Sylann
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6 Aug 2019 19:31 |
Yes he did have a son James not sure when he emigrated but he died in Canada 1950 I only have what has been put on here and that wasn't put on
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6 Aug 2019 19:14 |
The Ocean Arrivals document you refer to -
View Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
Name: Charles McRobert Gender: Male Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Birth Place: Dumfriesshire Scotland Age: 52 Date of Arrival: 19 1920 Port of Arrival: Quebec Ship Name: Sicilian
do you have the details from the original image? Amongst other things it says his nearest relative in country from where he came is - James McRobert Son of 171 Waddell Street, Glasgow
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6 Aug 2019 19:10 |
Looking again at the original of that 1921 census. Nellie's middle name could very well be McAlpine. The handwriting is very poor.
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6 Aug 2019 19:05 |
View UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Add Alternative Information Report issue Name: Charles Mcrobert Gender: Male Age: 63 Birth Date: abt 1868 His return after the 1930 visit to Glasgow. shown as a "Teamster"
Departure Date: 3 Apr 1931 Port of Departure: Greenock, Scotland Destination Port: St John, New Brunswick, Canada Ship Name: Montrose Search Ship Database: Search for the Montrose in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Official Number: 145919 Master: J F Dott Save
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6 Aug 2019 19:01 |
Nelly would be a "pet" name for Ellen, same as with the daughter.
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Sylann
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6 Aug 2019 18:49 |
That census matches other than Nelly Adolphus her name was Ellen Muir McRobert nee McAlpine, they had a daughter Ellen (Nellie) McRobert born 1898?
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6 Aug 2019 18:41 |
Charles McRobert
in the 1921 Census of Canada View 1921 Census of Canada
Name: Charles McRobert Gender: Male Marital status: Married Age: 51 Birth Year: abt 1870 Birth Place: Scotland Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's name: Nelly Adolphus McRobert Father Birth Place: Scotland Mother Birth Place: Scotland Year of Immigration: 1920 Racial or Tribal Origin: Scotch (Scotish) Province or Territory: British Columbia District: Nanaimo District Number: 19 Sub-District: New Castle Sub-District Number: 35 City, Town or Village: Nanaimo BC Street or Township: 805 Wentworth Municipality: Nanaimo Occupation: Labourer Income: 300 Neighbors: Household Members: Name Age Charles McRobert 51 Nelly Adolphus McRobert 49 Jeanette McRobert 21 Charles McRobert 18
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6 Aug 2019 18:37 |
Sorry that 1920 out going is the one I got on ancestry BUT with not having worldwide I couldn't access it so I thought they were travelling separately
Thank you That's cleared that up
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6 Aug 2019 18:34 |
? Ellen 1870 — 1920 Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960 Quebec, Canada
(as above FMP)
Chris :)
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