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Dea, I've looked at the image on familysearch. The ages for Thomas and Sarah are a little out, there was a 9 or 10 year age gap between them, but I've seen other examples of ages being out on passenger lists. The travel in May 1855 is just after the possible marriage for Thomas & Sarah in April.

The Jenkins names don't immediately tie in, Mrs born 1799 does would fit with Elizabeth Jeakins the mother, but George doesn't fit and Charles isn't the Charles I've referred to, he's too young. The inference is that George and Mrs Jenkins are a couple, I wonder if her age is wrong on the list and should perhaps be 36 -it would make more sense. I don't have John Jeakins snrs parentage yet, so can't judge whether George might be a brother. The John Jeakins , wife & his older children came to Lincolnshire from Bedfordshire

Thanks Dea, I'm using both Windows 10 on a laptop & tend to use the mouse pad rather than a plugged in mouse. I hadn't thought you could just copy and paste from the transcription screen, but thinking about it now I don't know why - I suppose I was looking for it to be more complicated.

I do use an android tablet as well, but tend to go to my laptop if I'm wanting to do copying, pasting or that sort of thing.

Will give it a go when the opportunity arises.

Can someone take a look at the image on this page please?


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27R4-BB9

It relates to this Thomas going across to America - he seems to be travelling with a 'Mrs' Baker aged 25 so it could well be Sarah.

Interestingly there are sons people just below them who appear to be called 'Jenkins' ??? - Looks like a George Jenkins, a Mrs Jenkins and a Charles Jenkins aged 8. - They could 'possibly' be Jeakins ????


Name: Thomas Baker
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1855
Event Place: New York City, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Birth Year (Estimated): 1825
Birthplace: United States ************* ????????
Ship Name: Rappahannock

Affiliate Publication Number: M237
Affiliate Publication Title: Passenger Lists of vessels arriving at New York, 1820-1897
Affiliate Film Number: 152
GS Film Number: 000175508
Digital Folder Number: 004678807
Image Number: 00492


Dea x

EDIT ********* - OOOps - just noticed it says he was born in USA ??

Dea x :-(

Are you on a desk top or something else as the methods differ?

Are you on windows 10 or an older version as again, the methods can differ?

Basic copying can be done by holding down the left button on your mouse and scrolling over the text you want in order to hightlight it.

Once you have your highlighted section, right click on it and a drop down box will give you the option to copy - click on 'copy' and then move to where you want to paste it.

Once there, right click the mouse again and it should give you the option to paste - click it and the text should appear.

Try it and see if it works for you - if not there are lots of other ways............

Dea x

At the risk of looking stupid, I don't know how to paste census and other record detail onto post, can anyone please enlighten me? I can then save others the trouble of doing it.

Now this does look promising Julie. Just pasting that 1860 census.

Us Census 1860

Last name Gender Age First name(s) Birth year Birth place
Baker Male 37 Thos 1823 Lincolnshire
Baker Female 28 Sarah 1832 Lincolnshire
Baker Male 1 Thomas 1859 Ohio
Carnon Male 27 John 1833 Lincolnshire
Miller Male 11 Francis 1849 Ohio

I believe I have found an 1860 US census entry for Thomas & Sarah in Marion County Ohio, which is next to Hardin, where John Jeakins settled. Their ages are about right, birthplace shown as Lincolnshire. They have 1 yr old son Thomas. This also fits with the naturalization record found, also Ohio.

It is indeed, I can't find any trace of Thomas on the 1851 census, he should be somewhere. As Newton is a small parish I literally went through the pages for 1851, manually so to speak, to see if he was there, given that if the marriage to Sarah Jenkins is to Sarah Jeakins he might not have moved. There are a load of trees on ancestry that have Thomas becoming William Thomas in the US, but none of them have any real substance in making that leap and the wife or William Thomas is someone else.

This could well be Thomas (William's son) on 1841 and look who he is with !!!


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Newton, Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Pepper Male 40 1801 Lincolnshire, England
Millicent Pepper Female 40 1801 Lincolnshire, England
Thomas Watson Male 10 1831 Lincolnshire, England
Ann Rook Female 15 1826 Lincolnshire, England
Thomas Baker Male 20 1821 Lincolnshire, England *******
John Jenkins Male 18 1823 Lincolnshire, England ******* ?? 'Jeakins' ??

They are both Ag. Labourers on a farm.

Dea x

Digging on Thomas Baker a possible husband for Sarah, sister Ann married William Baker, she was his second wife. William had a son Thomas with his first wife. He is of an age to have married Sarah. I haven't been able to track his movements/life so far. It looks like I might need to shell out on a copy cert, it being a reg, office marriage, to see if father's names etc. match up.

Thanks for that, I have tried census searches without a surname and sometimes come up trumps.

If the site doesn't accept a wild card at the beginning then I just put in all the info I can and search without a surname completely. It can often take a long while but if you then just scroll down the list a surname can often pop out at you as a possibility.

Dea x

Thanks Dea, using wildcards is something I seem to struggle with, several times I've tried starting with a wildcard and had a message that it isn't allowed, I can only assume that different sites have different "rules". I must try your approach with some other problem surnames in my family where the problem is often with the start of the name.

It was a mixture of trying everything I could think of, which you just have to do with cases like these.

I had found Robert on 1871 under 'Jeakins' but had difficulty in tracing him back to see if he was connected.

First I looked for his birth on GRO site which gave me:

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
JEAKINS, ROBERT BEE
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in SLEAFORD Volume 14 Page 588

Then looked for a marriage for his parents - this was 'probable' :

Marriages Sep 1846 (>99%)
Bee Elizabeth Sleaford 14 793 Scan available - click to view
Jeakins William Sleaford 14 793 Scan available - click to view

So, parents William + Elizabeth........

Looked for Robert on 1851 - b. Lincolnshire, sorname 'j*kins' - no result.

Then tried surname *kins and up came William + Elizabeth Girkins, very helpfully with her 'Bee' family!

The same search criteria, going forward to 1861 brought up Robert 'SEAKINS' !!

Dea x

Dea, this is one of the children who stayed in England. The odd spelling on the 1851 census doc shows how far away from the actual name you can get! Likewise the US census for Charles with Jackius. No wonder I've been struggling to find some relevant documents and transcriptions , how did you find the 1851 census, given the name variance? I ask because your approach might help me in other cases. Julie

Could this WILLIAM be another child of John + Elizabeth (plus yet another variation on the surname) ??

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Swarby, Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Bee Head Married Male 56 1795 Ag Lab Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth Bee Wife Married Female 65 1786 - Swarby, Lincolnshire, England
Robert Bee Son Unmarried Male 27 1824 Ag Lab Swarby, Lincolnshire, England
John Bee Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 Ag Lab Swarby, Lincolnshire, England
***William Girkins Lodger Married Male 32 1819 Ag Lab Colworth, Bedfordshire, England *** -
Elizabeth Girkins Wife Married Female 24 1827 - Swarby, Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth Girkins Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1848 - Swarby, Lincolnshire, England
Robert Girkins Son Unmarried Male 2 1849 - Swarby, Lincolnshire, England




County Lincolnshire
Place Swarby
Church name St Mary and All Saints
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 10
Marriage date 18 Jul 1846
Groom forename William
Groom surname JEAKINS
Groom age full age
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom occupation Labourer
Groom abode Swarby
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname BEE
Bride age full age
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Swarby
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname JEAKINS
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename Robert
Bride father surname BEE
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness1 Sarah HARNETT
Witness2 Joseph BEE
Notes by Banns

Dea x

A bio on Mark Jeakins published in Compromise Illinois suggests John Elizabeth and their children (the ones who actually went to the US) all arrived in the US in the Spring of 1851. I've come across conflicting dates from US census data for some of the family, i.e. different census schedules have different dates for the same person.

Ann Baker mentioned above in connection with some birth regns is one of the children who remained in the UK.

I will look at the Thomas Baker/Sarah Jenkins marriage, it may well relate as sister Ann married William Baker and I have several cases where 2 or more siblings in one family married siblings/cousins or the like in another. If this is marriage is Sarah Jeakins then it indicates she didn't travel to the US in 1851 with the rest her other siblings. But the accuracy of the US bio is already suspect so that is possible.

The detail for Mark and John fits quite well, in some respects of course it doesn't fit with the bio for Mark stating that they all arrived in the Spring of 1851, although I suppose they could have travelled in more than one group.

Could this be Mark + John travelling over first ???


Ship name - Tonawanda - from Liverpool to USA.
Last name First name Age Sex Arrival Date Place of last residence
JENKINS JOHN 29 M 26 May 1851 U - Labourer
JENKINS MARK 21 M 26 May 1851 U - Labourer

Dea x

This is Charles....immigration year was 1855.


Name: Charles Jackius
[Charles Jeakins]
[Charles Jackins]
Age: 73
Birth Year: abt 1847
Birthplace: England
Home in 1920: Danville Ward 6, Vermilion, Illinois
Street: Mc Kinley Avenue
Residence Date: 1920
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1855
[1858]
Relation to Head of House: Father-in-law
Marital status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Native Tongue: English
Able to Speak English: Yes
Naturalization Status: Naturalized
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes

If this is John's declaration, then there is a Thomas Baker straight after. I realise that this is probably a massive coincidence unless John travelled to Ohio afterwards. Do you know when he emigrated?


Delaware, Naturalization Records, 1796-1959

Name: John Jeakins
Birth Location: England
Naturalization Date: 2 Feb 1858
Naturalization Record Type: Declaration of Intention
Court Type: Superior Court
Court Location: New Castle
Content Year Range: 1847-1858




Delaware, Naturalization Records, 1796-1959

Name: Thomas Baker
Birth Location: England
Naturalization Date: 2 Feb 1858
Naturalization Record Type: Declaration of Intention
Court Type: Superior Court
Court Location: New Castle
Content Year Range: 1847-1858