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22 Jul 2019 15:59 |
Below for Mother (wife of John) mention of Campbells and Christian. Would fit with 1826 Newspaper announcement, posted earlier.
Chris :)
England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 (Ancestry)
Name. Ann Armstrong Probate Date: 20 Jul 1826 Residence: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
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22 Jul 2019 14:09 |
ArgyllGran, your reply has been key to figuring this all out, as you correctly said 'If the year of birth was 1853 it would be mdcccliii. The birth year on the stone looks to me like mdcclxxiix - which would be 1778' The 'familysearch' entry had completely thrown me and I'd even considered the stone mason might have made a mistake! Thank you for your much valued input.
safc - your reply showing the 1851 census rang all kinds of bells for me! When I saw the surname 'Campbell' I just knew you had found the right Christian! The curate at St. Anne's from 1854 - 1861 (on June 26th 1861, the parish of St. Anne's was created, and with it, the first parish priest was appointed!) was one P. A. Campbell!!! You've not only found the right lady, but you've lead me down a path that has answered the question 'why was Christian staying at St. Anne's Rectory at the time she died?' Further research (the discovery of a family tree on Ancestry) has shown that P. A. Campbell was Christian's nephew - son of Christian's sister Ann and her husband James Campbell! Many thanks to everyone who took the time and trouble in helping solve this puzzle - aren't family history enthusiasts wonderful?!
Thank you all!!!! :-D
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22 Jul 2019 11:35 |
Isabella Mary appears to be with her brother William in 1871:
Isabella M Campbell in the 1871 England Census Name: Isabella M Campbell [Isabella Mary Campbell] Age: 44 Estimated birth year: 1827 Relation: Sister Gender: Female Where born: London City Middlesex England Civil Parish: Almeley Town: Almeley County/Island: Herefordshire Country: England Registration district: Weobley Sub-registration district: Weobley ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 1 Piece: 2705 Folio: 30 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age William P A Campbell 46 - head Madoline A Campbell 31 - wife Isabella M Campbell 44 - sister Maria M Campbell 83 - aunt, born US Mary C Campbell 10 Archibald I Campbell 9 Alexander C C Campbell 8 Madaline M Campbell 7 Alice G M Campbell 5 Annie M Campbell 3 Christian A Campbell 5 [also 5 servants ]
William's father is also James:
William Pitcairn Alexander Campbell in the England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1988 Name: William Pitcairn Alexander Campbell Gender: Male Age: 34 Birth Date: abt 1825 Marriage Date: 4 May 1859 Marriage Place: Hamsey, Sussex, England Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: James Campbell <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse: Madeline Athins Philpott
The aunt Maria from the US is listed in 1861 (again living with Wiliam and Madeline) as Anna Maria, born 1791 in Jamaica.
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22 Jul 2019 11:22 |
If Tomlin 1829, with father James, is the one with Christian Armstrong in 1851, and assuming he's the brother of Isabella and Anna, this may perhaps be Isabella's baptism, although the year doesn't quite agree with the 1851 census - ie not Isabella Margaret , father Colin:
Isabella Mary Campbell in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 Name: Isabella Mary Campbell Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 29 Mar 1827 Baptism Place: Bryanston Square St Mary, Westminster, England Father: James Campbell Mother: Ann Campbell Register Type: Parish Registers
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22 Jul 2019 11:05 |
Tomlin Campbell in the 1881 census posted by safc is not the brother of Isabella Margaret baptised 1826. His father is James, not Colin:
Tomlin Campbell in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: Tomlin Campbell Gender: Male Marriage Age: 35 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1829 Marriage Date: 31 Aug 1864 Marriage Place: Christ Church, Hampstead, Camden, England Father: James Campbell <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse: Julia Sarah Betts Register Type: Parish Register
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Chris Ho :)
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22 Jul 2019 07:27 |
Below could relate also...
Chris :)
Can also see a Baptism 1791, and Burial 1806 (15yrs) (Westminster, on FMP) for below Daughter...
24 June 1806 - Public Ledger and Daily Advertiser - London, London, England
Died Miss M. A. Armstrong, youngest daughter the late J. Armstrong, Esq. Pimlico.
24 June 1826 - Oxford Journal - Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
On Thursday night died, at Brighton, Mrs. Armstrong, relict of the late John Armstrong, Esq. of Pimlico.
21 February 1803 - Morning Post - London, London, England
On Friday last, at his house, in Pimlico, Mr. Armstrong, Carpenter to the Board of Works.
(looking on google, 21st was a Monday)
Berkshire Burial Index (Find My Past)
Title Mr First name(s) John Last name Armstrong Death year 1803 Burial year 1803 Burial date 24 Feb 1803 Church St Andrew Place Hagbourne County Berkshire Record set Berkshire Burial Index
24 October 1835 - Oxford University and City Herald - Oxford, Oxfordshire
TUESDAY. On the same day died at Hastings, Anne, wife James Campbell, Esq. of Baker-street, Portmansquare, London, and eldest daughter of the late John Armstrong, Esq. of Belgrave Cottage, Pimlico.
Campbell James - 1810 Westminster Marriages St George, Hanover Square, Middlesex, England (Find My Past) (Ann Armstrong, wits. Matthew Armstrong (Clerk) John Griffiths, Ann Armstrong, Christian Armstrong, Anna Maria Campbell)
Armstrong Ann - 1787 Westminster Baptisms St George, Hanover Square, Middlesex, England (Find My Past) (Parents, John & Ann. Born 7th June)
03 September 1864 - Morning Advertiser - London, London, England
On the 31st ult., at Christ Church, Hampstead, by the Rev. W, P. A. Campbell, assisted by the Rev. E. H. Bickerstoth, Tomlin Campbell, Esq., of Westmoreland, Jamaica, to Julia Sarah, eldest daughter William Betts, Esq., of Erskine House, Hampstead.
(above on London Marriages, Ancestry, Father, James Campbell Esq., a wit. Isabella Mary Campbell)
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21 Jul 2019 21:42 |
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/102859841/tomlin-campbell
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21 Jul 2019 21:29 |
Record Transcription: 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Sutherland House Bank, Hornsey, Edmonton, Middlesex, England
Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Tomlin Campbell Head Married Male 51 1830 Colonial Magistrate (Serv) (West Indies) Marylebone, Middlesex, England Julia Campbell Wife Married Female 36 1845 - Islington, Middlesex, England Christian Campbell Son Single Male 15 1866 Scholar Hampstead, Middlesex, England Oliver Campbell Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Jamaica, West Indies Julian Campbell Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Hampstead, Middlesex, England Tomlin Campbell Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Jamaica, West Indies Mary Campbell Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Jamaica, West Indies Ellen Campbell Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Kensington, Middlesex, England William Campbell Son Single Male 2 1879 - Kensington, Middlesex, England Aurelie Paviot Govs Single Female 28 1853 Governess France Emma Laxlon Servant Widow Female 38 1843 Certificated Nurse Submg Kensington, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Hyam Servant Single Female 27 1854 Domestic (Housed) Bruton, Somerset, England Emily Hewitt Servant Single Female 23 1858 Domestic (Cook) Boxted, Essex, England Clotilde Marchall Servant Single Female 19 1862 Domestic (Nurse) Belgium John Sparling Visitor Married Male 59 1822 Solicitor
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21 Jul 2019 21:15 |
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ecord Transcription: England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
First name(s) Isabella Margaret Last name Campbell Gender Female Birth year 1826 Birth place - Baptism year 1826 Baptism date 02 Mar 1826 Place Westminster County London Country England Father's first name(s) Colin Father's last name Campbell Mother's first name(s) Jane Mother's last name - Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain
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21 Jul 2019 21:08 |
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Record Transcription: 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
5, Rockstone Place, All Saints, Southampton, Hampshire, England What can I do with this record? View an image of this record
Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Christian Armstrong Head Unmarried Female 56 1795 Fundholder London, Middlesex, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Anna M Campbell Niece Unmarried Female 24 1827 - London, Middlesex, England Isabella M Campbell Niece Unmarried Female 22 1829 - London, Middlesex, England Tomlin Campbell Nephew Unmarried Male 20 1831 - London, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Tackley Servant Unmarried Female 65 1786 House Servant Fairford, Gloucestershire, England Sarah Standing Servant Unmarried Female 31 1820 House Servant Angmering, Sussex, England Sarah Dibdin Servant Unmarried Female 26 1825 House Servant Southampton, Hampshire, England
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21 Jul 2019 21:04 |
I've been trying to find her on the 1851 Census, but no luck
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21 Jul 2019 20:52 |
That death in Festiniog just might be her!!
Death in 1860, age 70 = birth year 1790.
Very close, and person reporting her death might not have known her exact age.
ARMSTRONG, CHRISTIAN 70 GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in FESTINIOG Volume 11B Page 302
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ArgyllGran
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21 Jul 2019 20:16 |
Yes, looking again at the stone, the birth year is 1789.
1789 is mdcclxxxix
So, one year out from the date in Chris's post.
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ErikaH
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21 Jul 2019 20:09 |
Chris
That makes absolute sense. https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1282497
Taking as accurate something on familysearch is always risky. Checking is vital, as has been illustrated here
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21 Jul 2019 20:03 |
Ah - the last line on the stone is
born Decr xxii'nd mdccl[something] died Novr viii'th mdccclx
Born Dec 22, Can't quite make out the whole year - I wish someone would move that bit of grass. Died Nov 8th 1860.
If the year of birth was 1853 it would be mdcccliii
The birth year on the stone looks to me like mdcclxxiix - which would be 1778
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21 Jul 2019 20:00 |
Below from link?...
Chris :)
https://www.bafhs.org.uk/research-room/monumental-inscriptions
Surname: ARMSTRONG Forename: Christian Date: 1860? Age: 76 Location: OLDLAND Incumbency:
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Westminster Baptisms (Find My Past) First name(s) Christian Last name Armstrong Birth year 1788 Birth date 22 Dec 1788 Baptism year 1789 Baptism date 22 Feb 1789 Father's first name(s) John Mother's first name(s) Ann Parish St George, Hanover Square County Middlesex City of Westminster Archives Centre Record set Westminster Baptisms
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21 Jul 2019 19:58 |
2 christian's born in 1853 westminster is area for pimlico
Births Mar 1853 (>99%) Ballanjam Christiana Westminster 1a 231
Births Dec 1853 (>99%) ENOUY Christian Augustus Westminster 1a 215
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21 Jul 2019 19:49 |
People could indeed bury their loved ones somewhere other than where they died, or even where they lived ........ took them back to the ancestral home.
Maybe that is what happened in this case??
Have you tried for a mis-spelling of Christian .......... maybe Christine? Not unknown!!!
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21 Jul 2019 19:41 |
From the 1836 Bill presented to Parliament
And be it Enacted, That every Registrar, immediately upon registering any Death, or as soon thereafter as he shall be required so to do, shall, without fee or reward, deliver to the Person having charge of the Funeral, a Certificate under his hand, according to the Form of Schedule (E.) to this Act annexed, that such Death has been duly registered, and such Certificate shall be delivered by the Person having charge of the Funeral, to the Minister or officiating Person who shall be required to perform any religious service for the burial of the dead body, or to the Person by whose authority the grave or vault shall be dug or opened for the burial of such body, and no dead body shall be buried until such Certificate shall have been so delivered: Provided always, That the Coroner, upon holding any inquest, may order the body to be buried, if he shall think fit, before registry of the death; and shall in such case give a Certificate of his order in writing under his hand, according to the Form of Schedule (F.) to this Act annexed, to the Person having charge of the Funeral, which shall be delivered as aforesaid; and every Person who shall perform any funeral or any religious service for the burial of any dead body, or who shall authorize any grave or vault to be dug or opened for the purpose of burying any dead body therein, until a Certificate shall have been duly made and delivered as aforesaid, shall forfeit and pay any sum not exceeding Ten Pounds for every such offence.
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21 Jul 2019 19:36 |
What does the last line on the gravestone say? I can't make it out.
After "of Belgrave Cottage, Pimlico"
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