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The 1892 marriage for Rhoda Adelaide isn't her

Thomas Morse married Elizabeth Kear Camm and Rhoda married Richard Oliver White and are together 1901 census.

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Edward Barnes
in the England, Dreadnought Seamen's Hospital Admissions and Discharges, 1826-1930
Name: Edward Barnes
Admission Age: 28
Birth Date: abt 1871
Birth Place: England
Admission Date: 12 Dec 1899
Admission Place: London, England

Admitted with haemorrhoids - cured

Name: Adelaide Louisa Barnes
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Feb 1898
Baptism Place: Bermondsey St Crispin, Southwark, England
Father: Edward George Barnes
Mother: Rhoda Adelaide Barnes
Register Type: Parish Registers

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Rhoda Hepper mum nee Chamberlain born June QTR 1876 St Olave V01d P275

The one born 1888 had mum nee Welsh.

Maybe Rhoda was too young to marry when she had first child and then they just never got round to it.



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Adelaide

Name: Adelaide Buckley
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 44 West Lane, Rotherhithe
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 10
Estimated Marriage Year: 1901
Registration district: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Registration District Number: 24
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 1914
Household Members:
Name Age
Jeremiah Buckley 37
Adelaide Buckley 29
Adelaide Buckley 10
Dennis Buckley 8
Jeremiah Buckley 6
Mary Buckley 4
Elizabeth Buckley 0

Births Mar 1882 (>99%)
Hepper Adelaide Maria St. Olave 1d 319

Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
HEPPER Rhoda St. Olave 1d 269

Adelaide was older - not younger - than Rhoda

Adelaide's death

Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
Buckley Adelaide M 33 ST OLAVE 1D 282

There was another daughter born to Thomas Hepper and Emily Elizabeth nee Chamberlain, her names was Adelaide Maria born 1882 and like Rhoda who I found was just named Rhoda mm Chamberlain was not on the 1891 census, found no death for Adelaide Maria however I did find a marriage in 1900 and a witness was Rhoda Adelaide Barnes, Wonder if Rhoda just called herself Adelaide . Just can’t find Rhoda or younger sister Adelaide in the 1891 census, seems so strange not to find either of them,

I have found the following. After looking at the 1911 census I found Thomas Hepper b1852 was a widower and one of his children daughter Emily Hepper listed as Slater age 24 was a widow. Upon looking for a marriage for her I found she had married a Edward George Barnes widower on 15th Feb 1912 , His father named Thomas Barnes Ships fireman. Emily obviously the sister of Rhoda who died in 1911. Emily must have died because Edward George Barnes went on to marry Amelia Augusta Bodfield.. now what has completely thrown me. I looked up a marriage for a Rhoda Adelaide and came up with one named Blackmore who married a Thomas Morse but it was in Bristol 1892, it was mention above that Rhoda was not on the 1891 census. I notice on the marriage certificate for Edward George Barnes and Emily Slater nee Hepper in 1912 one of the witnesses was a Mary Morse. As yet not looked for a marriage of a possible Rhoda Morse to Edward G Barnes , unless she never got a divorce. All very interesting

Had found the marriage in 1922 of Edward George Barnes but nothing between Rhoda A Hepper and him, can only think one of them was married so no divorce possible.

safc - she started off as Amelia A Bodfield !


Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
BODFIELD Amelia Augusta St. Olave 1d 244


Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
BODFIELD Amelia Augusta St. Olave 1d 435 Scan available - click to view
Gwynn Richard George St. Olave 1d 435 Scan available - click to view

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marriage of thomas hepper to emily

Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%)
Chamberlain Emily Elizabeth St Olave 1d 313
HEPPER Thomas St. Olave 1d 313

Deaths Jun 1911 (>99%)
Barnes Rhoda A 37 Stepney 1c 199

Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
BARNES Edward G Gwynn St Olave 1d 282 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
FISHER Henry W J Sella St.Olave 1d 282
GWYNN Amelia A Barnes St Olave 1d 282 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
SELLS Katherine Fisher St.Olave 1d 282

That marriage is not her Malyon - that Rhoda was born in 1888 !!

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Rhoda Hepper
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005
Name:
Rhoda Hepper
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Place:
Greenwich, London, England
Registration District:
Greenwich
County:
London
Registration Quarter:
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year:
1915
Volume:
1D
Page:
2856
Affiliate Line Number:
69
Spouse Name (available after 1911):
Caney
Possible Spouse:
John C Caney

Well, he wasn't yet 'at sea' but the rest of his family was so it is very possible he would have followed the tradition:

BARNES on image!

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Edward Street, Bermondsey, St Olave Southwark, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Barnet Head Married Male 57 1834 Ships Fireman -
Betsy Barnet Wife Married Female 55 1836 - Hertfordshire, England
William Barnet Son Single Male 24 1867 Sailor London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Barnet Son Single Male 22 1869 Sailor London, Middlesex, England
Edward Barnet Son Single Male 18 1873 Cowman London, Middlesex, England

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His father had also been a mariner:


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
133, Industrial Dwellings, St Paul Deptford, Greenwich, London & Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Barnes Head Married Male 45 1836 Fireman (Steam Ship) Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
Betsey Barnes Wife Married Female 44 1837 - Ware, Hertfordshire, England
Edward Barnes Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Deptford, Kent, England

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Well this is Edward on 1939:

Edward G Barnes's life in 1939
112 Cherry Garden Street, Bermondsey, London, England

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Edward G Barnes 1872 11 Sep 1872 Male Ships Fireman Single 90 1
Amelia A Barnes 1881 18 Jan 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 90 2
Adelaide L Barnes 1899 06 Jan 1899 Female Incapacitated Single 90 3 ....................... her birth year was 1898 !!! (March Q)
Francis G Barnes 1925 20 Sep 1925 Male At School Single 90 4

His birth date is September 1872 so this would likely be his birth:

BARNES, EDWARD GEORGE BARKER
GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 812


Likely parents' marriage:
Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
Barker Betsey Greenwich 1d 1162 Scan available - click to view
Barnes Thomas Greenwich 1d 1162 Scan available - click to view

Therefore the one you found with mother Betsy is very likely to be him:

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Many thanks for the info ArgyllGran, never realised the GRO site was free. Only used it to order Certs. I usually do follow up the records, after seeing them on trees but this family threw me.