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Ellen

Ellen Report 13 Jul 2019 14:04

On William's birth certificate it states his father as Robert Stewart of Mitton of Barras Kinneff a Farm Labourer

Ellen

Ellen Report 13 Jul 2019 14:11

Sorry my mistake yes they married in 1919

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2019 14:58

"Mitton of Barras Kinneff" will just be his address at the time of registering William's birth.
He could have been born anywhere.

EDIT:

Aha! there's this Robert in 1871:

Robert Stewart
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Robert Stewart
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship: Son
Father's name: John Stewart
Mother's name: Susan Stewart
Gender: Male
Where born: Steyne, Kincardineshire
Registration Number: 262
Registration district: Kinneff and Catterline
Civil Parish: Kinneff and Catterline
County: Kincardineshire
Address: Mill Of Barras <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 9
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1871_46
Household Members:
Name Age
John Stewart 34
Susan Stewart 26
William Stewart 9
Robert Stewart 7
James Stewart 5
Charles Stewart 2

Dea

Dea Report 13 Jul 2019 15:01


I have VERY strong suspicions about thisman !!!

Robert Stewart's life in 1939
141 Balsall Heath Road, Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Robert Stewart 1883 04 Jan 1883 Male Builders Ganger Married 126 1
Rose Stewart 1890 22 Dec 1890 Female Brass Polisher Married 126 2
Ref: RG101/5604C/012/14 Letter Code: QBVU




Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
King Rose Stewart Birmingham 6d 805 Scan available - click to view
Stewart Robert King Birmingham 6d 805 Scan available - click to view

He has various army records floating about on Ancestry and FMP which tell a very strange story - He seems to have started off as Robert Stewart and he was in the Cameron Highlanders - he seems to have deserted at some stage around Dedcember 1915 and then ended up a few weeks later in the Royal Warwickshire Regiment with the name of Robert FALCONER !!!
It is very muddled but he may have deserted a second time around 1919 but he did manage to gain the Military Medal for gallantry in the Field?

Perhaps someone could take a look.

One of the records show that he was born in LAURENCEKIRK, County Kincardine, Scotland.



Name: Robert Falconer
Regimental Number: 201643
Regiment: Royal Warwickshire Regiment
Battalion: 1/5th Battalion
Rank: Sergeant
Medals: Military Medal
Other Records: Search for 'Robert Falconer' in other WWI collections
War Diaries (France, Belgium, Germany): Search for 'Royal Warwickshire Regiment' in the WWI War Diaries (France, Belgium, Germany) collection
War Diaries (Gallipoli): Search for 'Royal Warwickshire Regiment' in the WWI War Diaries (Gallipoli) collection



View British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Robert Falconer
Gender: Male
Document Year: 1916
Residence Place: Magpie Yard, Bromsgrove Street, Birmingham
Regimental Number: ??724
Regiment Name: B??
Number of Images: 11
Form Title: Territorial Force Attestation
Other Records: Search for 'Robert Falconer' in other WWI collections
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Robert Falconer Self (Head)


I can't just find the record I had for him in the Cameron Highlanders as L/C R Stewart showing his desertion but I will try to find it again and post it later.

Can someone take a look at this please?

Dea x

EDIT:

Here it is, although he gives his address as (looks like) Darwen, Lancashire and he says he is a Professional Boxer but if you read through the records you will see that he is in fact the same one as Robert Falconer who was a 'Hawker / dealer' at that time and born in Kincardineshire.

Record Transcription:
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First name(s) Robert
Last name Stewart
Age 32
Birth year 1883
Birth county Kincardineshire
Birth country Scotland
Service number 17602
Regiment Cameron Highlanders
Year 1915
Series WO 363
Series description
............ from FMP.........................

Dea x

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2019 15:12

Re the 1871 family of Stewarts in Kinneff - posted above -

By 1881, James is a farm servant with the Robertson family in Kinneff. By 1900 he's in Connecticut.

Father John, and Charles are still together in 1881:

John Stewart
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: John Stewart
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Garvock, Kincardine S
Registration Number: 258/1
Registration district: Fetteresso
Civil Parish: Fetteresso
County: Kincardineshire
Address: Detached Ho: Mill Of Cowie
Occupation: Labourer (General)
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 65
Line: 7
Roll: cssct1881_72
Household Members:
Name Age
John Stewart 46
Charles Stewart 11
Annie Stewart 54 - servant


Susan (nee Bain) died in 1873:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150750855/susan-bain

STEWART (also listed as Bain)
SUSAN
27
1873
262/ 14
Kinneff and Catterline


William was Susan's son from before her marriage to John Stewart:

William Bain
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: William Bain
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1861
Birth Place: Kirriemuir,Angus,Scotland
Mother: Susan Bain
FHL Film Number: 6035516

In 1881 he's a servant with the Buchanan family:

William Bain
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: William Bain
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Kineff, Kincardine
Registration Number: 250
Registration district: Arbuthnott
Civil Parish: Arbuthnott
County: Kincardineshire
Address: Gobbs Farm
Occupation: Gen Servant
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 5
Line: 15
Roll: cssct1881_71

Haven't found any more mention of Robert so far, though.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2019 15:23

This looks like my Kinneff Robert in 1901:

Robert Stewart
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Robert Stewart
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Annie Stewart
Gender: Male
Where born: St Eyins, Kincardineshire
Registration Number: 644/11
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 30 Polmadie St
Occupation: Locomotive Fireman
ED: 117
Household schedule number: 105
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1891_289
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Stewart 28
Annie Stewart 27
William Stewart 2
Robert Stowart 1Mo


This is Kinneff Robert's birth - and his siblings also had middle name Bain:

STEWART
ROBERT BAIN
M
1863
267/ 24
St Cyrus


Therefore wondering about this man -

Robert Bain Stewart
in the New Zealand, Police Gazettes, 1878-1945
Name: Robert Bain Stewart
Publication Date: 1928
Publication Place: New Zealand
Robert Bain Stewart; failing to provide; Dunedin.

Robert Bain Stewart
in the New Zealand, Police Gazettes, 1878-1945
Name: Robert Bain Stewart
Publication Date: 1930
Publication Place: New Zealand
Dunedin - Robert Bain Stewart; failing to maintain; warrant cancelled.


EDIT:

But there was more than one Robert Bain Stewart, so maybe the NZ man is this one:

Robert Bain Stewart
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Robert Bain Stewart
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 10 Oct 1844
Birth Place: , Stow, Midlothian, Scotland
Baptism Place: , Stow, Midlothian, Scotland
Father: William Stewart
Mother: Helen Bain
FHL Film Number: 1067791
Reference ID: 2:186TVQN

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2019 15:29

Re Robert Stewart in 1891 in my last post - here he is in 1901:

Robert Stewart
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Robert Stewart
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Annie Stewart
Gender: Male
Where born: Kincardine, parish of St cyrus
Registration Number: 644/2
Registration district: Camlachie
Civil Parish: Glasgow Parkhead
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 909 Gt Eastern Rd
Occupation: Inspector (chansing Dept)
ED: 72
Household schedule number: 114
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1901_271
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Stewart 35
Annie Stewart 34
William Stewart 12
Robert Stewart 9
Bella Stewart 6
John Stewart 2


Probably his death:

STEWART
ROBERT BAIN
66
1930
644/4 381
Dennistoun

So if he is Kinneff Robert, he's unlikely to have been a farm labourer fathering a child in Kincardineshire in 1913.

Though I suppose it's just possible that Georgina didn't know his current occupation or address when William's birth was registered ?? Grasping at straws ?

Maddie

Maddie Report 13 Jul 2019 15:40

a document in the falconer records says

hereith the original attesation record and documents elating to no 3/17602 private r stewart cameron highlanders who has been held to serve in the 3/5th royal warwick reg from1/04/1916

documents also relate to his desertion
married rose king 24/08/1915

so r falconer and r stewart same man

Maddie

Maddie Report 13 Jul 2019 15:42

Name: Robert Stewart
Spouse Surname: King
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Birmingham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 805
Records on Page:
Name
Albert A Butler
Rose King
Annie E J Pinder
Robert Stewart

Robert Stewart

in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
View British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920

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Report issue

Name: Robert Stewart
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1883
Enlistment Age: 32
Marriage Date: 24 Aug 1915
Marriage Place: Birmingham
Document Year: 1915
Residence Place: 486 Blackburn Rd, Darwin Lanshire
Regimental Number: 17602
Regiment Name: Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders
Number of Images: 31
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Other Records: Search for 'Robert Stewart' in other WWI collections
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Robert Stewart Self (Head)
Rose King Spouse

Name: Rose King
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 24 Aug 1915
Marriage Place: Birmingham
Document Year: 1915
Residence Place: 486 Blackburn Rd, Darwin Lanshire
Relationship to Soldier: Spouse
Form Title: Information Supplied By Recruit
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Robert Stewart Self (Head)
Rose King Spouse

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2019 15:48

Looking at your Robert Stewart/Falconer, Dea -

His army record (in the name of Robert Stewart) says he's a pro boxer.

Deserted 14/12/1915.
Tried 1/4/1916 for fraudulent enlistment.
Sentenced to detention for 60 days.
Held to serve in the Royal Warks Regiment.

Then, as part of Robert Stewart's army record, there's a letter date 6/5/21, saying,

Sir, I am in receipt of your letter dated 6th inst re 64091 royal Warwickshire Regiment (formerly 201643 [something] R War Reg) and have to inform you , in reply, that he deserted 27/9/1919, and I have no information regarding him since that date.



Another part of the record is a page saying he was born in Laurencekirk, and giving his name as Stewart, which is scored out, and Falconer written in instead.

Cameron Highlanders, regimental no 17602.
Transferred to R Warwickshire Regt; regimental numbers 201643, then 64019

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2019 15:58

His Will, also part of the army record, gives his reg no first as 201643, then that's scored out and replaced by 64019.

His name is shown as Robert Stewart alias Falconer.

Notes say:
Serving
Re-enlisted
Deserter.

In the event of my death, I give the whole of my property and effects to Mrs R Stewart, 28 Court, 6 House, Magpie Yard, Bromsgrove Street, Birmingham.
Signed: L/Corp R Stewart, 17602 S/Cameron Highlanders.

Another version of his Will gives Rose's name as Mrs R Stewart alias Falconer, c/o Mrs Vickers, Magpie Yard.



Then there are some pages of record from 1916 headed with the name L/Cpl R Falconer

He seems to have been known as Falconer when he deserted in 1919.

Dea

Dea Report 13 Jul 2019 15:59

Thanks Maddie and AG - that is exactly what I have found.

There is no proof that it is the Robert we are looking for but those 2 names and all those army records definitely relate to the same man who did start off in Kincardineshire within a very few miles of the place where the son William was born and they all add up to 'one' very suspicious person...............

Dea x

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2019 16:03

Surprisingly, in his army paperwork there's a snippet from the Supplement to the London Gazette, Monday 14 Jan 1918:

Awarded the Military Medal, for bravery in the field.
201643 Sjt R Falconer, 2 1/5th Bn. R. War. R. (T.F.) (Birmingham)

Maddie

Maddie Report 13 Jul 2019 16:19

????????????
1891
Name: Robert Stewart
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relationship: Son
Father's name: James Stewart ---- Laurencekirk, Kincardinesh: s tailor
Mother's name: Helen Stewart
Gender: Male
Where born: Laurencekirk, Kincardinesh
Registration Number: 275
Registration district: Brechin
Civil Parish: Brechin
Town: Brechin
County: Angus
Address: 25 Crocketts Bld
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 187
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1891_84
Household Members:
Name Age
James Stewart 44
Helen Stewart 45
Helen Stewart 21
Margaret Stewart 15
William Stewart 13
Robert Stewart 11
Charles Stewart 9
Fraser Stewart 6
Joan Stewart 5
John Stewart 2
Alexander Stewart 11 M

Name: James Stewart
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 19 Jul 1867
Marriage Place: Laurencekirk,Kincardine,Scotland
Spouse: Helen Eaton

1851
Name: James Stewart
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relationship: Son
Father: John Stewart
Mother: Margaret Stewart
Gender: Male
Where born: Lau Kirk, Kincardine
Parish Number: 263
Civil Parish: Laurencekirk
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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Town: Laurencekirk
County: Kincardineshire
Address: High St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 1
Page: 15
Household schedule number: 72
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_55
Household Members:
Name Age
John Stewart 29
Margaret Stewart 26
John Stewart 5
James Stewart 4
William Stewart 2
Margaret Stewart 5 Mo


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2019 16:25

Re Robert Stewart, 17602 Cameron Highlanders -
the address he gives on joining in 1915 is 86 Blackburn Road.

He's not there in 1911 - a family called Farnworth are at that address.

I just wondered if Stewart wasn't his real name.
In 1901 there's a Robert Stewart at 69-71 Blackburn Road - not our man, but I wondered if maybe he'd borrowed this Robert's name:

Robert Stewart
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Robert Stewart
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Elizth T Stewart
Birth Place: Scotland
Civil Parish: Darwen
Ecclesiastical parish: Over Darwen St Cuthbert
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 69-71 Blackburn
Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Darwen
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Neighbors:
Piece: 3920
Folio: 96
Page Number: 37
Household schedule number: 262
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Stewart 27 - physician and surgeon
Elizth T Stewart 27
Elizth Ballantyne 22


That Robert was born in Hamilton, Lanarkshire, per 1911 census.



>>>>>>EDIT: Ignore the first part of this post, above this point.
But I think this is correct from here on <<<<<<<<<<


Perhaps "our" Robert actually was Falconer ?

Birth:

FALCONER
ROBERT
M
1883
263/ 4
Laurencekirk

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2019 16:29



Robert Falconer
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Robert Falconer
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relationship: Son
Father's name: John Falconer
Mother's name: Mary Ann Falconer
Gender: Male
Where born: Laurancekirk, Kincardineshire
Registration Number: 442
Registration district: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall
Civil Parish: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall
County: Fife
Address: 13 Victoria Rd
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 16
Household schedule number: 5
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1891_135
Household Members:
Name Age
John Falconer 53
Mary Ann Falconer 50
John Falconer 17
Alexander Falconer 14
William Falconer 12
Stewart Falconer 10
Robert Falconer 8


Robert Falconer
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Robert Falconer
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relationship: Son
Father's name: John Falconer
Mother's name: Mary Falconer
Gender: Male
Where born: Laurencekirk, Kincardineshire
Registration Number: 442
Registration district: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall
Civil Parish: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall
Town: Kirkcaldy
County: Fife
Address: 10 Glebe Park St
Occupation: General Labourer
ED: 26
Household schedule number: 26
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1901_142
Household Members:
Name Age
John Falconer 62
Mary Falconer 61
Alexander Falconer 25
Robert Falconer 18

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2019 16:32

1911 ????

FALCONER
ROBERT
1911
M
27
258/1 3/ 12
Fetteresso
Kincardine

No other Falconers in that household.

Maddie

Maddie Report 13 Jul 2019 16:33


1901

Name: Robert Falconer
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relationship: Son
Father's name: John Falconer
Mother's name: Mary Falconer
Gender: Male
Where born: Laurencekirk, Kincardineshire
Registration Number: 442
Registration district: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall
Civil Parish: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall
Town: Kirkcaldy
County: Fife
Address: 10 Glebe Park St
Occupation: General Labourer
ED: 26
Household schedule number: 26
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1901_142
Household Members:
Name Age
John Falconer 62
Mary Falconer 61
Alexander Falconer 25
Robert Falconer 18

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2019 16:34

If that's him - forget my earlier idea that he might have stolen the name of Robert Stewart of Blackburn Road - he wasn't in Darwen in 1911, let alone 1901.


Is it possible he told Georgina his name was Stewart , so that he couldn't be traced in the event of an unwanted child???


As he was tried in 1916 for "fraudulent enlistment" - maybe that means he'd joined up as Stewart, and then they'd found out his name was really Falconer ??

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jul 2019 16:55

Marriage of Robert Falconer's parents :


FALCONER
JOHN
STEWART <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
MARY ANN
1866
254/ 5
Bervie or Inverbervie


The Falconer family in 1881, before Robert's birth:

John Falconer
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: John Falconer
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship: Son
Father's name: John Falconer
Mother's name: Mary Ann Stewart <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Where born: Laurencekirk, Kincardineshire
Registration Number: 263
Registration district: Laurencekirk
Civil Parish: Laurencekirk
County: Kincardineshire
Address: 21
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 5
Line: 15
Roll: cssct1881_73
Household Members:
Name Age
John Falconer 42
Mary Ann Stewart 41
David Falconer 14
Margaret Falconer 12
Helen Falconer 10
John Falconer 8
Alexander Falconer 5
William Falconer 2
Stewart Falconer 5 Mths