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Thanks for connecting them, still haven't figured out how to do that.
Thankyou :-)

Thanks for clarifying that George is the George Henry and not the george Kenneth. Thanks Erica. Well spotted. :-)

You have a connected thread about these people

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1382249

A child of Frederick's first marriage

Name: Kathleen Adams
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1898
Marriage Date: 18 Jun 1919
Marriage Place: St Mary, Ealing, Ealing, England
Father: Frederick George Adams
Spouse: Lionel Charles Sharp
Register Type: Parish Register

ADAMS, FRANCES MITCHELL
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in CUCKFIELD Volume 02B Page 143 posted previously on page one!!

ADAMS, PHYLLIS MITCHELL
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in CUCKFIELD Volume 02B Page 160

ADAMS, GEORGE HENRY MITCHELL
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in LEWES Volume 02B Page 145

Unfortunately, the birth registration shows the tree to be dreadfully inaccurate

The person compiling it has fallen into the trap of taking Ancestry 'hints' as fact, and hasn't bothered to verify

ADAMS, GEORGE KENNETH HERRWING HERRWING
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in BATTLE Volume 02B Page 41

The above is NOT the George on 1911 census (page one of this thread)

1939

11A Willow Park Drive, Wigston U.D., Leicestershire, England
George K H Adams 06 Feb 1910 Male Electrician Married 240 1
Amy N Adams 08 Nov 1909 Female Unpaid Dom Duties Married 240 2
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

From a tree on Ancestry - no way of knowing how well-researched it is

Birth of Half-Brother Frederick Adams(1912–)
April 1912 • Cuckfield, Sussex, England
1912

4

Birth of Brother Albert E. Adams(1913–)
Oct 1913 • Cuckfield, Sussex, England
1913

5

Death of Half-Sister Kathleen Elizabeth (Kitty) Adams(1897–1968)
21 Mar 1968 • North Vancouver, British Columbia
1968

60

Death of Half-Sister Kathleen Elizabeth (Kitty) Adams(1897–1968)
1968 • Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
1968

60

Death of Half-Sister Gladys Mabel Adams(1899–1969)
26 July 1969 • Footscray, Maribyrnong City, Victoria, Australia
1969

61

Death of Half-Sister Dora Violet Adams(1895–1975)
9 Oct 1975 • Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
1975

67

Death of Half-Sister Dora Violet Adams(1895–1975)
9 Oct 1975 • Vancouver, British Columbia
1975

67

Death of Brother George Kenneth H Adams(1910–1976)
16 Oct 1976 • St Albans, Hertfordshire, England
1976

68

Death of Half-Sister Freda Agnes Adams(1901–1981)
14 Apr 1981 • Amersham, Buckinghamshire, England

Some children of the second marriage are on the 1911 census - posted on page one of this thread

Look for later ones using freebmd - easy to search using surname and MMN

Thanks dea. She really is a woman of mystery. At least I'm confident that James Wilkinson is the correct one Nyway. Back on with this query as people from Canada and Australia have emailed to say they still looking for children of Emma and Frederick George, her second marriage. No sign of any except for Edward Wilkinson. :-)

If she is the one above then she was born illigitimately and in those instances people very often 'made up' a father to put on their marriage cert !

I will keep looking though to see if I can find one with a father to fit but I really think she was Fanny's child, although her actual father still could have been a William.

Dea x

Emma's dad was supposedly William Mitchell, a farmer. From her wedding certificate to James in Skipton in 1895.

Still trying to find death of James Wilkinson. Karina seems to think that either Emma didn't marry James, even though we think she fid in 1895n Skipton. Because with no death seeming to be between 1901 to 1905 when she remarried to Frederick Adams he either absconded, she absconded and as not listed as deceased on Edwards 1925 wedding certificate Emma or Katherine Emma could be a bigamist. Or they maybe got a divorce, rare in those days. Just because he wasn't down as deceased in 1925 doesn't mean he wasn't though does it?

Fanny and James Bannister were married in 1881 - I doubt whether he was the father of Emma and James (Mitchell) but we will probably never know!


Marriages Jun 1881
BANNISTER James Worcester 6c 376 Scan available - click to view
Mitchell Fanny Worcester 6c 376 Scan available - click to view

Dea x

Hi dea
Looks like fanny Mitchell and James bannister married in 1881 so they had only just married each other on that census in Worcester it seems.
Shirley

Yes think that's definately her. You may be right about being on two census. As they had no children and she coukd even have commuted between the two although Worcester and hartlepool are quite far apart. Maybe James had another woman with him on census night who pretended to be Emma. Maybe the reason they had no children is because they were hardly together until 1901. And maybe he was a bit of a cad ????

Mm maybe. Hartlepool woukd work though. She wasn't actually a bannister either was she, a Mitchell, and either James was her step father or her real dD and her mum had her out of wedlock

Now, I just found that Emma moved up to Hartlepool by 1901 - this was where James had been in 1891 BUT I then noticed that Emma was still at her parents home when she should by now have been married to James !!

However, just when I decided it couldn't be her I realised that although she is still shown under her maiden name, with her family, she is in fact marked as 'married' ...

So, I feel sure that it is her !
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
13, Everett Street, West Hartlepool, Hartlepool, Durham, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Bannister Head Married Male 54 1847 Shipyard Labourer Herefordshire, England
Fanny Bannister Wife Married Female 50 1851 - Worcestershire, England
**Emma Bannister Daughter **Married** Female 28 1873 - Worcestershire, England
James Bannister Son Single Male 26 1875 Shipyard Labourer Herefordshire, England
Winifred Bannister Daughter Single Female 19 1882 - Worcestershire, England
Samuel Bannister Son - Male 15 1886 Farm Servant Worcestershire, England
Jessie Bannister Daughter - Female 13 1888 - Worcestershire, England
Francis H Bannister Son - Male 11 1890 - Worcestershire, England
Fanny Bannister Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Yorkshire, England
Walter Bannister Son - Male 2 1899 - West Hartlepool, Durham, England

She could have been recorded with the family in error or perhaps she was visiting at the time so included and James included her with him as that was where she actually lived. - I have seen people recorded in two places on a census several times before.

Dea x

Fanny + her family had moved into Yorkshire by 1891 so not too far from Skipton?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Back Lane, Long Preston, Settle, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Bannister Head Married Male 44 1847 General Labourer Wales
Fanny Bannister Wife Married Female 36 1855 - Worcestershire, England
Emma Bannister Daughter Single Female 18 1873 - Worcestershire, England
James Bannister Son Single Male 16 1875 - Herefordshire, England
Winifred Bannister Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Worcestershire, England
Arthur John Bannister Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Worcestershire, England
Samuel Bannister Son - Male 5 1886 Scholar Worcestershire, England
Jessie L May Bannister Daughter - Female 3 1888 Scholar Worcestershire, England
Francis Ern Bannister Son - Male 2 1889 - Worcestershire, England
Fanny Bannister Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Yorkshire, England

Dea x

Lewis and Mary were both born in Yorkshire - this would be them:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ivy Cottage, Carleton, Carlton, Skipton, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Lewis Preston Head Married Male 31 1870 Gardener (Domestic) Carleton, Yorkshire, England
Mary Preston Wife Married Female 35 1866 - Harrogate, Yorkshire, England
William R Preston Son Single Male 2 1899 - Carleton, Yorkshire, England
Ann Oldfield Boarder Single Female 45 1856 Cotton Drawer Carleton, Yorkshire, England

They were probably just friends..............

Dea x

P.S. - What do you think about the 1881 above for Emma?

I see that Emma's mother Fanny was also connected to the 'drapery business'

Dea x