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From below NA link AG, google brings up items, but nothing different...

Southampton Archives might have other Newspapers.

FMP has Southern Echo - Southampton, Hampshire, but not finding anything...

48 Bridge Road, seemed to be a Navy Recruiting address...quite a few early 1900 years, as below...Edits (Royal Navy & Marine Recruiting Office)


13 September 1905 - Southern Echo - Southampton, Hampshire, England

WANTED, STOKERS and SEAMEN, for years’ service; also MARINES and BOYS for Band.—Apply, 48, Bridge road,

Chris :)

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C12378585

W Smith. Aged 26. Rank, profession or occupation: Seaman. Nationality / Birthplace: Birmingham. Last place of abode: 42 Bridge Road, Southampton.


https://plimsoll.southampton.gov.uk/SOTON_DOCUMENTS/Plimsoll/Titanic_Crew_List_2012_Q-S.pdf

Smith, William Able Seaman Lost
42, Bridge Road (later 119 Bernard Street) Southampton
Age: 26 Place of Birth: Birmingham

That might be this man, Chris - where did you find that?

SMITH, Mr Walter 44 Deck Crew
(Delivery trip only)

Titanic Crew Summary
Name: Mr Walter Smith
Born:circa.1868 Born in Belfast, Ireland
Age: 44 years (Male)
Nationality: Irish
Occupation: Able Seaman <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Last Ship: Centurion
Deck Crew
First Embarked: Belfast on Friday 29th March 1912
Disembarked: Southampton

https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-crew-list/

That's the only W Smith apart from William.

Am wondering if these below mentioned earlier are the same person?...(perhaps Southampton Archives might have something more on him, a Service Number would help)

Chris :)

"On the marriage certificate for Florence on 13th October 1934 her age is given as 23 but as it was only 2 days before her birthday it may be rounded up Her Fathers name is given as William Henry Smith Ship Stoker deceased"


Titanic
Smith, W. Southampton Able bodied seaman

Thanks I will do some more follow ups Pam

That eliminates that one then, perplexing!

???

MONISH, ISRAEL mms MONEITZ
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 249

Deaths Mar 1981 (>99%)
MOORMISH GOLDA 14OC1880 STEPNEY 15 286 Scan available - click to view

Births:
?????? June Q 1915:
MONIS Jane Munits Whitechapel 1c 424 Scan available - click to view

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MUNISH, FLORA MUNISH
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 240


Dea x

Still at same address in 1939:

Golda Mouish's life in 1939
26 Winthrop Street, Stepney, London, England
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We will use the details from this record to create your family tree for you.
Report a transcription error.
I believe that a record on this page is open when it ought to be closed (ie, a person is still living).
I am searching for information about myself in the 1939 Register (or on behalf of someone living).
Mouish household
(4 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Golda Mouish 1881 ? Sep 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Dut Widowed 97 1
Florrie Mouish 1908 14 Jul 1908 Female Dress Cutter Single 97 2
Jane Mouish 1915 20 Feb 1915 Female Shorthand Typist Single 97 3
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

Dea x

Chris I was looking at that one but not finding births?

this might be the death for husband?
Deaths Sep 1929 (>99%)
Moormish Gedalia 46 Stepney 1c 215

Another below, 3, Winthrop Street...(using search, winthrop street birth 1909 +/- 2yrs)

(needles and haystacks come to mind, lol)

Chris :)

1911 (Find My Past)
Gedalia Murnitz Head Married Male 27 1884 Tailor Vilna Russia
Golda Murnitz Wife Married Female 26 1885 - -
Israel Murnitz Son - Male 4 1907 - -
Florrie Murnitz Daughter - Female 2 1909
Whitechapel
(says Married 6yrs, 2 children born, 2 living)

Just an outside thought, if she was born Oct 1909 or poss 1910, and reg in the Dec qtr Winthrop st should come under Whitechapel ...only female with Jewish name? no father's surname given.

EPSTEIN, - ...
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 193

Have not checked on census though

EDIT probably not as there is a female death reg same qtr

The family of Florence Louisa Smith said she was Jewish and lived in the Jewish section in East London. I am still trying to find the correct Florence Louisa Smith so that I can order her birth certificate , . I am looking at the possible half siblings to help establish this. Thank you Pam

Where does the Jewish connection into family, as mentioned by you earlier in 'Thread'?...

Chris :)

(quote "Also the Grandaughter says Florence Louisa Smith was Jewish Thanks Pam")

Just found Cyril Walter Smith born 1910 ( the one year old with Clara Smith on 1911.census) living in 1936 at 31 Stratford Road Luton with Phyllis Maud Smith (nee Raymond) this is the same address given on the marriage certificate for Frederick William Wildman Smith, so can begin to pull this together. I hope. Thanks Pam

Frederick William W Smith
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Frederick William W Smith
Death Age: 76
Birth Date: 7 Mar 1911
Registration Date: Jan 1988
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 9
Page: 564

What was Edith's father's name on the marriage cert?

On the face of it, this should be her birth and death:

Edith Violet Ashwell
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Edith Violet Ashwell
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1911
Baptism Date: 14 Jan 1912
Baptism Place: St John, Worlds End, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Percy Frederick Ashwell
Mother: Sarah Ashwell


Edith Violet Smith
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Edith Violet Smith
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1911
Registration Date: Feb 1992
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 9
Page: 501


Yes, that's her.
Here are Frederick and Edith in 1939, badly mistranscribed:

Frederich W Edith O Smith
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Frederich W Edith O Smith
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1911
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 4 Felstead Way
Residence Place: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Occupation: Hat Milliner
Schedule Number: 183
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: DPPB
Registration district: 178-2
Inferred Spouse: Frederich W Smith [ Frederick on image ]
Household Members:
Name
Frederich W Smith - motor trade sheet metal worker, 2 March 1911
Frederich W Edith O Smith
Edith D Percy F Ashwell - [ Percy F Ashwell - Edith D scored out ]
Percy F Sarah J Ashwell - [Sarah J Ashwell - Percy F scored out]
Sarah J Ellen Hills - [ Ellen Hills - Sarah J scored out ] 25 June 1875, widowed
Ellen Rosemary Hills - [ Rosemary Hills (later Hardy) - Ellen scored out ]


Edith's entry originally said Smith, Frederick W, then Frederick W was scored out, and Edith V put in instead.

Her parents' entries , and the two Hills, are similarly corrected after wrong names were written first.

Rosemary Hills, later Hardy was born 1935. I haven't posted her DOB, as she may still be alive.

Re Frederick William Wildman Smith -

on 29th July, after your previous mention of him, Rambling posted the 1911 census showing Clara with her parents, and an unnamed male child born Riseley 1911.

What else do you want to know about him?

You'll never know who his father was, as father's name isn't on either birth or marriage certs.

I have some new details for a possible half sibling to Florence Louisa Smith . His name on his birth certificate is Frederick William Wildman Smith born 7th March 1911 Riseley Bedfordshire. His Mothers name given is Clara Smith but no Fathers name is given. On the marriage certificate for Frederick William Wildman Smith to Edith Violet Ashwell on 17th December 1932 Luton Bedfordshire, .no Fathers name is given for him. His address is given as 31 Stratford Road Luton Bedfordshire .on the marriage certificate . The occupation for Frederick is Sheet Metal Polisher. Thanks for any further help you can offer . Pam

Thank you will follows up ;Pam

https://plimsoll.southampton.gov.uk/SOTON_DOCUMENTS/Plimsoll/Titanic_Crew_List_2012_Q-S.pdf

...42, Bridge Street (later 119 Bernard Street)


http://www.southampton.gov.uk/arts-heritage/southampton-archives/plimsoll.aspx

(Street Directories, then page 2)

(seems 1912 -1913. 42, Collins Bernard aparts)

Chris :)


Edits (below couple at 31, Stratford Road 1936 with Cyril Walter, and Phyllis Maud Smith. 1932 Frederick William Smith with above)


Marriages Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Brothwood George Smith Bedford 3b 792
Smith Clara Brothwood Bedford 3b 792


1939 Register (Find My Past)

70 Selbourne Road, Luton M.B., Bedfordshire, England
George Brothwood 1889 19 Nov 1889 Male Engineer Blacksmith Striker Heavy Worker Married
Clara Brothwood 1891 24 Aug 1891 Female Unpaid Dom Duties Married


Deaths Mar 1958 (>99%)
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BROTHWOOD Clara 66 Luton 4a 139

Deaths Dec 1960 (>99%)
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BROTHWOOD George 71 Luton 4a 179


(1922,23 24, George and Clara living at Gold Street)


(Cyril Walter Smith, son of Clara)


Marriages Mar 1875 (>99%)
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SMITH William Bedford 3b 477
WOOLSTON Ruth Bedford 3b 477