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Hope the OP responds more quickly than last time. ;-) :-S

Do you now accept that William died in 1936?

You haven't commented on the info provided for you..............

I must have missed a lot of this. To answer some of the many questions raised: I am descended from Edgar. Just off the top of my head: a cousin told me that William had a second name (James) that’s why I was following a false trail for so long. Also that he died in 1940. That’s what I was always told.

Gladys did die in Australia, she lived with my parents for decades.She travelled to Australia on the same boat as Spike Milligan when she first came out in the 1960s. I went to her funeral in Wollongong. Louisa Jane travelled to Australia by boat in 1973/74 with Gladys, can’t recall exactly. I was stationed in Kuala Lumpur at the time and they stayed we. Arthur Roy also died in Wollongong. David died in Queanbeyan NSW.

I have lost touch with all of what remains of my extended family in the UK over the years. :-(

Possibly Edgar...

Chris :)

17 July 1936 - Bucks Herald - Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England

CYCLING OFFENCES.
"Slane, of Elm Close, Sutton, Surrey, was summoned for riding a pedal cycle without a white light, and Edgar Davis, Tavistock Road, Sutton, was summoned for aiding and abetting. Neither of the defendants was present.
P.C. Dredge said on Monday July 1st he saw the defendants riding on a tandem cycle in the High Street, Great Missenden. It was 10.25 p.m. and there was no light on the machine. Slane explained that the light had only just gone out, and Davis said that Slane had been trying to knock it alight.
The Bench fined each of the defendants 5s.


http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/

(then using Record Search, Passenger Arrivals)

Davies Arthur Roy 29 Nov 1958 (image available)

Thanks Erika,

I have to confess, I made a mistake and said the 1935 death was correct, I have now corrected the information in my posts- his death was 1936, as shown on death registration and burial.

Your father, Edgar, was living with his mother a 6 Tavistock Road (as shown on the electoral registers that I posted- the William that was buried in 1936 also has the address 6 Tavistock Road.

This is the correct death:

Name: William Davies
Death Age: 62
Birth Date: abt 1874
Registration Date: Apr 1936
[May 1936]
[Jun 1936]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Surrey Mid eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a Page: 300

and this is his burial:

Burial Register summary
last name Davies
first names William
Burial date 22 June 1936
Location Sutton Cemetery (Sutton)

William Davies- Gardener- 6 Tavistock Road, Sutton
------------------------------

I will send you the copy of the burial register so that you can see it is correct. I hope this helps

I did not mention death certs.

My advice was to get the man's marriage cert. It is VITAL if you wish to trace his antecedents accurately

You can order it online as per info given earlier

As has been shown repeatedly on here, the idea that he had a second forename seems to be very much a mistake on someone's part - possiby the person who compiled the tree on Ancestry, which is far from accurate.

AustinQ gave you the CORRECT death and burial

Whoever told you he was alive in 1939 was wrong.

Thank you all for your responses. When my head stops spinning I will sort through the information you have provided and sort out what I have, in boxes, and put it all into order. Maybe living at the bottom of the earth and being upside down complicates matters.

The info on Gladys returning to the UK is spot on. She and aunt Louie visited my in Kuala Lumpur in 1974, on the way to Australia. Louisa Jane died while my mother was in Wales but was unable to see her because of heavy snow.

I am the second son of Edgar (2 July 1914). I knew David Roy and Arthur Roy of course in Australia. 'Willie' was uncle Bill to us married to Doll Thomas. I can’t immediately recall which family member told me William was William James.

For Erika, I bought death certificates for various William(s) matching some of the info I had years ago, and Probate documents which were duds so I’m reluctant to spend money on those. Anyway yep thank you all again. Maybe next time i'm in the UK possibly next year I’ll have time to do some real research.
Huw

The 1936 death for William is correct:

Burial Register summary
last name Davies
first names William
Burial date 22 June 1936
Location Sutton Cemetery (Sutton)

William Davies- Gardener- 6 Tavistock Road, Sutton
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"...However I am sure he was still alive at the time of the 1939 'census'. I have records which show this."

What records do you have that show William was still alive in 1939?

Which child are you descended from? Just wondering if you are following the correct family- (Louisa's husband has no records showing a middle initial and he wasn't alive in 1939- so perhaps you are looking for a different William?)

Do you have have William's marriage certificate confirming him father's name?

According to the tree on Ancestry, Gladys died in Oz

19/02/1989 Warrawong New South Wales Australia

As did her brother

Death of Brother Arthur Roy Davies(1907–1974)
24 May 1974 • Warrawong, New South Wales, Australia

Again, the research is very poor

Births Sep 1904 (>99%)
Davies Arthur Roy Newport, M. 11a 272

Gladys Cecilia Davies is listed on Australian ER's - on Ancestry. My sub doesn't stretch to viewing them. But - confirms AustinQ's posting of Incoming passenger as being the right woman

On the electoral registers Louisa Jane is living at 6 Tavistock Road, Surrey- William is listed there in 1935, but not after:

1935 6 Tavistock Road
Louisa Jane Davies
William Davies
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1937 6 Tavistock Road
Louisa Jane Davies
Edgar Davies
Joseph Cyril Davies
-------------------------
1938 6 Tavistock Road
Louisa Jane Davies
Edgar Davies
Joseph Cyril Davies
-----------------------------
1939 6 Tavistock Road
Louisa Jane Davies
Edgar Davies
Joseph Cyril Davies
David Davies
----------------------------

Her son, David Davies was still living there on the 1939 register.

6 Tavistock Road, Sutton and Cheam M.B., Surrey, England
David Davies 04 Jun 1916 Male Ltpb Transport Driver Single
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Possible death:
Name: William Davies
Death Age: 62
Birth Date: abt 1874
Registration Date: Apr 1936
[May 1936]
[Jun 1936]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Surrey Mid eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a Page: 300

It's showing that I've looked at these records before- not sure when.

The 1939 register posted by Erika:

1939
Heathfields Institution Woodbridge Road East,Ipswich, Ipswich C.B., Suffolk,
Louisa J Davies 17 Sep 1878 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties WIDOWED 4 42

In the next building listed on the register is possible daughter, Gladys:

1939
Saint Johns Childrens Home Freehold Road, Ipswich C.B., Suffolk, England
Gladys C Davies 04 Apr 1907 Female Receiving House Attendant Single 5 23
--------------------------------

The dates on the register match this incoming passenger list:

Port of Departure Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date 9 Oct 1960
Port of Arrival London, England
Ports of Voyage Sydney; Melbourne; Adelaide; Fremantle; Colombo; Aden; Port Said and Piraeus
Ship Name Orontes
Shipping Line Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number 6821/01

L J Davies 17th Sept 1878
G C Davies 4th April 1907 School Matron
UK address for both 77 Milton Street, Brixham, Devon

GRO send certificates worldwide

At the moment, there is no way of knowing when, or where, he died.

The marriage cert would be a much more useful investment - if the poster doesn't already have it, and I don't think he does, as he believes, for some reason, that William had a second forename, which isn't borne out by any info found so far.

Do you have a copy of either the 1935 or the 1940 death cert?

His wife will be named, which will confirm which one is the correct death.

You mention a burial or cremation record - there won't necessarily be one online. Once you know his date of death, you can enquire from cemeteries near where he had been living.



You can buy either death cert (or both) here:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
You have to register (free) to use the site - though of course you would pay for the cert.

The order form mentions air mail postage to addresses outside the UK, so I assume you can use the site from Australia.
You can check at [email protected]
(or one of the helpers here will probably know the answer . . . . . . .EDIT: Yes, Erika does - see below )

You can order either a paper copy (£11) to be sent by post, or a PDF copy (£7) by email. Scroll down to near the bottom of the order form for the PDF option.

Louisa's Probate - executor Willie Davies

Name: Louisa Jane Davies
Death Date: 28 Dec 1963
Death Place: Gloucester, England
Probate Date: 18 Mar 1964
Probate Registry: London, England


DAVIES, WILLIE SPOONER
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in NEWPORT MON Volume 11A Page 235

Louisa in 1939 - if the tree on Ancestry is accurate regarding her DOB, although that tree holder says her hubby died in 1940, so room for doubt - especially as the person who compiled the tree doesn't even have accurate birth year info for some of the children

Heathfields Institution Woodbridge Road East,Ipswich, Ipswich C.B., Suffolk, England

Louisa J Davies 17 Sep 1878 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties WIDOWED 4 42

So, unless Louisa lied, William died BEFORE September 1939

Who was his father according to his marriage certificate?

Rose

Have you got a copy of the man’s marriage cert?

If not, you need it, to find out if he knew his father’s name etc

Why do you think he had a second forename? There is nothing to suggest that on any records found so far, including his marriage registration

There's no birth reg for him as William James

Not born in Graig according to these to census records.

Rose