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Deaths Mar 1965 (>99%)
BAILEY SARAH M 81 Droxford 6b 337

If she was born 1883 this is quite likely to be her?

Look at freebmd

Yes, that looks like Frederick death Dec 1969...in portsmouth. Born 1908.
Trying to find his mother's death Sarah Bailey hampshire.
Think her middle name was maria.

Herbert was in the navy...
Son Federico was in the merchant navy.
Federico had a son called frederick, mums older brother.
Federico had a first wife and 2 son's in Malta before he came to Portsmouth England and married Gladys Wilkin my grandmother.

Is this Frederick's death?

Deaths Dec 1969 (>99%)
BAILEY Frederick Joseph -Oc1908 Portsmouth 6b 1241

Rose

Odds are they married in Malta

What was Herbert’s stated occupation on his son’s birth cert?

Federico Bailey born 1st October 1908 Senglea, Malta father Herbert Bailey born Portsmouth, England. Mother Sarah Bailey (Nee miller) born Senglea Malta....(although family say born on Gozo).
Any help appreciated.... like to know where grandparents got married..
I know they both died hampshire, England.

Federico Bailey born 1st Oct 1908 place: Senglea Malta.
Father is Herbert Bailey born Portsmouth, Hants, England.
Mother on Federico Bailey certificate says Sarah Bailey, (nee miller)
Born Senglea Malta...
Any further help appreciated people.

1939

35 Lower Derby Road, Portsmouth C.B., Hampshire, England
Gladys Wilkin (Bailey) 30 Dec 1911 Female Unpaid Dom Duties Married 4 1
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

Arthur H Pragnell 16 Dec 1922 Male Apprentice (Shipwright Single 4 3

Kim

For future reference, use freebmd to look for info such as Sarah's death

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Lucky enough to be in malta, and went to registry office today.obtained Frederick birth cert naming mother as Sarah Bailey (nee miller) born Gozo.
Frederick father named as Herbert Bailey born portsmouth Hants.
Sarah Miller not registered probably only registered in parish church in Gozo.
So Gozo birth may be right for Sarah Miller 7th Nov 1883.

Sorry for repeated replies GR 'froze' lol.

Margaret, I was working from Kim's own name and birth and back through marriages
her mother born in the 40s ( is on Kim's tree but I won't put DOB here as probably still living) .

I may have it wrong, but the marriage of Bailey/Wilkin mentioned on thread seems right.

I'm getting confused!
Rambling, you say that Frederick is Kim's mother's father but Kim said that her mother was sister to Frederick.

Kim it's easy to trace back from you to Frederick on freebmd, Frederick is your mothers father, what is needed is info from his marriage cert or his birth cert. You seem to be confusing who is husband and who is son in your posts and that's making it difficult to follow.

Kim do you have Frederick's marriage cert, and who does it give for his father, is there a middle name for instance? age? Please give any scraps of information you have it may not seem important, but it could be :-)

Going with the Portsmouth connection:

Deaths Mar 1966
BAILEY SARAH 84 PORTSMOUTH 6B 611

Rose

Sure Herbert was Frederick's father?

Marriages Mar 1936
Bailey Frederick Wilkin Portsmouth 2b 995
Wilkin Gladys Bailey Portsmouth 2b 995

Rose

Kim,

Can you add birth years for these relatives born before 1939? Helps to find them.

Rose

According to that tree she died 14 Aug., 1962 aged 79.

Edit: Oh dear, just checked the probate record for the one who died 14 Aug., 1962 and it says she is the wife of Thomas Bailey. Hoever it says she was living 138 Hillview Rd., Ensbury, Park, Bournemouth but died Park Prewett Hospital, Basingstoke.