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Thank you Tiggit, 4 children there I didnt know about. I have read it all through again now, and beginning to get my head round it. It helped writing it down in bullet points on a seperate piece of paper. Very grateful to you. Thank you.

Possible 11 children:

Edna Colley Smith 1901
Amy Colley Smith 1902
Catherine Colley Smith 1904
Maud Colley Smith 1906
Thomas Richard Colley Smith 1907

John Drinnan 1909
Olive B Drinnan 1910
Ralph Drinnan 1912
Robert Drinnan 1914

Leslie Barson 1922
Greta J Barson 1924

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What I havnt found yet though is Amelia Smith, have found her in 1891 with Robert and Sarah age 9, Victoria St?? Bordesley, Aston. Piece 2412, Folio 53, but cant find her before that in 1881. She was born 2nd December 1881.

The 1881 census took place on 3rd April 1881 and Amelia was not born until the december of that year so was not on the census.

I have posted the 1881 census for her parents Richard and Sarah Smith (nee Barnett) showing the birth registrations for 3 of the children with mother's maiden name Barnett on page 2 (22nd May at 16.21 ) and have also followed both the Barnett line and Smith line back for you but did add a lot of info after originally posting the replies, so might be worth another read.

Kind regards
Tiggit

Thank you for the marriage entry to.

Right, thank you. Thought that may have been the case.

Deborah she wouldn't be on the 1881 census it was taken before her birth. ( 3rd April 1881)

Marriage

First name(s) AMELIA
Last name DRINNAN
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1920
Registration month -
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William Barson

Spouse's last name Barson
District Foleshill
District number -
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 6D
Volume as transcribed 6D
Page number 1039

I had found Richard on the 1891 census, and saw Alice Ann Rushton on it, didnt think any more of it. Traced Richard right back to 1871, age 2, with his parents, it didnt help that there were mistakes in the spelling, Coley, Colley, Boley, took me quite a while.Thank you for filling in the rest.

What I havnt found yet though is Amelia Smith, have found her in 1891 with Robert and Sarah age 9, Victoria St?? Bordesley, Aston. Piece 2412, Folio 53, but cant find her before that in 1881. She was born 2nd December 1881.

The other bit I am stuck on, is that she married John Drinnan in 1908, he died in WW1 in 1915. She the married a William Barson in 1920 Cant find that marriage either, but she seems to keep changing her name, my relative is trying to find the marriage certificate, and also she thinks Amelia had about 13 children, have only accounted for 7.

That could well be Richard Colleys death in 1907, it would explain why she then married John Drinnan in 1908.

Thank you for finding Richard Colleys marriage to Alice Ann Rushton.

Sorry Tiggit and AG, I have been working on Richard Colley for the last 2 days, I didnt see your posts for 24th May, usually I get an email alert but didn't this time, I will just read through it now.

Richard Colley
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Richard Colley
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1869
Father: Thomas Colley
Mother: Eliza Colley
Birth Place: Dawley, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Radcliffe
Residence Place: Radcliffe, Radcliffe, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: Radcliffe
ED, Institution or Vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 3143
Folio: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Colley 59
Eliza Colley 54
Enoch Colley 26
Richard Colley 22
Emma Jane Colley 17
Thomas Colley 14
William Fitz Patrick 18
Alice Ann Rushton 22 - Farnworth <<<<<<<<<<<<<


Alice Ann Rushton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Alice Ann Rushton
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Bury
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 767
Records on Page:
Name
Richard Colley
Alice Ann Rushton



Alice A Colley
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Alice A Colley
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Farnworth , Lancashire , England
Civil Parish: Farnworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Farnworth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Farnworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Piece: 3601
Folio: 45
Page Number: 7
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Rothwell 56
William Rothwell 30
Elizabeth Rothwell 24
Alice A Colley 31 - married


By 1911 she's using her maiden name:

Alice Ann Rushton
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Alice Ann Rushton
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Farnworth, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Farnworth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 4 Markland Square
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: Cardroen Hand
Registration district: Bolton
Registration District Number: 461
Sub-registration district: Farnworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 23263
Household Members:
Name Age
Farah Hulme 61
Joe Hulme 27
Fred Hulme 20
Alice Ann Rushton 42


Alice Ann Colley
in the UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: Alice Ann Colley
Death Date: Apr 1929
Cemetery: Farnworth Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Farnworth, Metropolitan Borough of Bolton, Greater Manchester, England

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And John Drinnan was a friend of Richard Colley. ( Its my guess that Richard Colley is where the extra name of Colley keeps coming up).

Is this Richard Colleys death in 1907?

Deaths Dec 1907
COLLEY Richard aged 37 Foleshill 6d 287

Amelia was living with Richard Colley (married man) in 1901 and as she gives her children the middle name Colley he was most likely the father of these children but couldn't marry Amelia as he was already married.

Thank you for that info.

Just on case you don't have it , images give marriage to Amelia Willetts, spinster, and DOB for Olive Beatrice as 29.10.10 Foleshill

First name(s) John
Last name Drinnan
Birth year 1879
Birth parish St Thomas
Birth town Radcliffe
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number 2853
Regiment King's Royal Rifle Corps
Year 1900
Attestation date 21 Mar 1900
Attestation age years 21
Attestation age months 3
Attestation service number 2853
Attestation corps King'S Royal Rifle Corps
Discharge corps King'S Royal Rifle Corps
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Archive
The National Archives
Archive reference WO 97
Box 4729
Box record number 30
Record set British Army Service Records

Oh dear that is sad. I bet they dont know about that.

Yes they do mention Bury quite a bit.

Dont want to mention names as they are still alive (obviously they are as I am talking to them) dont want to get into trouble on GR for giving away information I shouldnt.

There was another child that sadly died

born DRINNAN, JOHN WILLETTS
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in FOLESHILL Volume 06D Page 490

the family must have been visiting Bury at the time

Death DRINNAN, JOHN 0
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in BURY Volume 08C Page 373

I will phone my relatives tomorrow, to find out about the marriage certificates, they also told me today that Amelia had 13 children, and that she ran a Post Office in Radcliffe, she was Post mistress.

John Drinnan died in WW1, in I think 1915.

And John Drinnan was a friend of Richard Colley. ( Its my guess that Richard Colley is where the extra name of Colley keeps coming up).

We are definite on that then :-)

Olive Beatrice is the mother of my relative.

I think we may have the 1908 one, so possibly the other one, as my relative told me today about the name Willett on it and the fact that she had put herself down as a spinster and that by 1908 she had a few children, we thought it may be because she maybe pretended to be married to Willett so it looked better.

We may have the 1920 certificate, I could make a phone call tomorrow to find out.

there are 2 births following marriage in 1920 giving mmn as Willetts, (discount the one in 1927 giving Smith as mmn as that appears to be to a couple married 1924)