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Thank you AustinQ, it gets very confusing for me :) Thanks for everyone's help, i really appreciate it :)

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Victoria Cottages, 3, Hanwell, Brentford, Middlesex, England
Frederick B Smith Head Married Male 45 1856 House Painter Grainer & Writer City of London, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Smith Wife Married Female 30 1871 - London, Middlesex, England
George B F V Smith Son Single Male 6 1895 - Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Maud Smith Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Edmonton
Ada Smith Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Hanwell
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Births:
SMITH, GEORGE BARTER FREDERICK VICTOR (mmn: EVANS)
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 345

SMITH, ADA -
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 196 Occasional Copy: A

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Marriage of Frederick and Elizabeth:
Registration Year: 1894
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a Page: 641
Records on Page:
Name
Elizabeth Evans
Freceric Barter Smith

You'll need the marriage certificate to see who Elizabeth listed as her father.
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1939 register lists Elizabeth's date of birth as 18th July 1871

So i received the Marriage Cert and it confirms Adas father is Frederick Barter smith - Gloucester Road, Kingston. Can anyone see who her mother was please?

There were 2 Frederic(k) Leopold Smiths, the one you have born in 1825 was a railway inspector right up to his death (ancestry has the record), who was married to Sarah and had a son Frederick T Smith, who's occupation in 1881 was a railway clerk. The other is the one I posted born in 1819, who had a son Frederick B Smith, a painter /decorator depending on which census you look at, so hopefully the marriage certificate will throw some light on it.

Hopefully you can update us when the cert arrives.

ok, ive ordered Ada and Harrys marriage Cert so i will wait for that. a month wait apparently :-| :-| :-|

Thanks to all who have helped on this piece, its been very successful

Afraid not, unless the GRO introduce that in the future. It is only the last couple of years that PDFs have been available for the births and deaths.

So basically i cannot get a PDF Marriage Cert?

The certs can be ordered from the GRO (£11) using the details that have been posted eg Marriages Dec 1926 (>99%)

Searl Harry J Smith Kingston 2a 998
Smith Ada L Searl Kingston 2a 998

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/


Q2. What records are available as a PDF?
PDFs are available for historical digitised civil registration records held by GRO (i.e. birth entries from 1837 - 1918 and death entries from 1837 - 1957). A GRO index reference is required to be provided with the application. You can find the GRO index references by logging on to the GRO online ordering service and accessing the GRO online indexes. A PDF will cost £7.00 each.

Thanks Rambling. Now how do i get their marriage certificates? Is there a cheaper place to order from? any advice is welcome? id prefer a download rather than a physical copy posted out to me!

Mariposa What you have said is correct, as far as can be worked out without buying certs, but I would advise that you do buy some. Probably at least the Marriage cert for Ada to Searl, and for Elizabeth Evans to Frederic Smith, to confirm father's names, if stated.

Mariposa if you go onto freebmd.or.uk and deaths for an Elizabeth Smith after 1939 ( when we know she was still alive) and you can either put in Surrey from county list or as I did Surrey Mid eastern in registration districts ( that covers Epsom area) and that is the most likely given date of birth I think.

perhaps but now im so confused :(

i have Ada Lavinia Searl Nee smith born to Frederick (Frederic) Barter Smith 1857 and Elizabeth Evans 1871

Frederick B Smith was born to Frederick Leonold Smith 1825 and Anne Mary Amelia Barter 1829

I have no parents for Elizabeth

Is this correct?

There was another Frederick Leopold Smith living in Derby - he was also a freemason from what I found earlier, but a different one to yours. Maybe you've latched onto the wrong one?

Rambling, How did you find her death please? i seem to be really bad at this!

Thing is the Frederick dont match because the baptism shows 1819 yet my Frederick wasnt born until 1825

Frederick's christening:
Frederic Leopold Smith
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 5 Sep 1819
Baptism Place: St. Mary's, Reading, Berkshire, England
Father: Thomas Smith
Mother: Sarah Smith
FHL Film Number: 1279467 :-\

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Deaths Mar 1941 (>99%)
Smith Elizabeth 69 Surrey Mid.E. 2a 574

Also im struggling to find a death cert for Elizabeth Smith Nee Evans

Mariposa, ignore hints, if they are matched to what other people submit,rather than actual records 90% of the time they are not related, just 'coincidental names' :-D

When i added this info i got hints for a different family so im worried these are coincidentally similar

Frederick Leopold Smith
BIRTH9 Oct 1825 St George, Middlesex, EnglandNEW

DEATH6 Nov 1894DIFFERENT 11 Railway Terrace, Derby, Derbyshire, EnglandNEW

sources (11) records (10)
Family Info
Father Thomas Smith (1780-)
Mother Sarah Smith (1785-)
Spouse Mary Ridgely Elliott (1839-1887)<-- Not the same as what i have below
Married 1858
Children
Frederick J R (1861-)
Florence M (1867-)
GERTRUDE MARY (1869-1915)
Alfred L. (1872-)
Sydney (1874-)
Davey (1877-)


My records below

Frederic Leopold Smith
BIRTH

DEATH28 Jul 1893

Family Info
Father Thomas Smith
Mother Sarah Smith (1785-)
Spouse Anne Mary Amelia Barter (-)
Children
Frederick Barter (1854-1933)

Not sure, but this looks like Anne's death:

Anna Mary A Smith
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Registration Year: 1908
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Edmonton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 323