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snap Erika !
:-)

also this one care of Dr Langmore
married to Archibald William Orbell

Anne
Last name Knobel Or Orbell
Birth year 1921
Birth place Buchel, Siegkreis
Residence town Aston Tirrold
Residence county Berks
Nationality British previously German
Soldier Number -
Series Home Office: Aliens Department: Internees Index, 1939-1947
Document details Dead Index - Wives of Germans, Nicht-Plunn
Year range 1941-1947
Conflict Second World War
Archive
The National Archives
Archive reference HO 396/236
Record set Britain, Enemy Aliens And Internees, First And Second World Wars
Category Military, armed forces & conflict

ARCHIE W
Last name ORBELL
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1942
Registration month -

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ARCHIE W ORBELL married one of these people

Aenni Knobel
Spouse's last name Knobel
District Wallingford
District number -
County Berkshire
Country England
Volume 2C
Volume as transcribed 2C

Annie
Last name Orbell
Title Mrs
Sex Female
Age 94
Birth year 1921
Birth date 03 Jun 1921
Death year 2016
Death date 01 Dec 2016
Place Moreton-In-Marsh
Area Gloucester
Geo direction South West
Postcode area GL
Postcode district GL56
Postcode sector GL56 0
County Gloucestershire

Archie W Orbell

Record: Civil Births Record

Location: Berkshire, England

Year of birth: 1920
First name(s) ARCHIE WILLIAM
Last name ORBELL
Gender Male
Birth day 24
Birth month 3
Birth year 1920
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1983
District North Cotswold
County Gloucestershire

Helene's sister?

Marriages Jun 1942 (>99%)
Knobel Aenni Orbell Wallingford 2c 1141
Orbell Archie W Knobel Wallingford 2c 1141

3 children to that marriage likely to be living born Wallingford. see freebmd

son still on eroll for Moreton in Marsh Glouc' ( and is easy to find on facebook)

1st daughter m to Cox on eroll to 2018 Cheltenham

Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Orbell Archie W Silver Faringdon 2c 626

Deaths Jun 1983 (>99%)
ORBELL ARCHIE WILLIAM 24MR1920 N COTSWOLD 22 2037

Marriages Jun 1916 (>99%)
Silver Jessie R Orbell Wantage 2c 683
Orbell William Silver Wantage 2c 483

Orbell Household (3 People)
22 Moreton Road , Wallingford R.D., Berkshire, England


William Orbell Male 16 Jan 1885 Racing Stable Lad Married 115 1
Jessie R Orbell Female 22 Sep 1886 Unpaid Domestic Duti Married 115 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Wow! I'm sorry I didn't reply yesterday but I have been really busy decorating following a rather long loft conversion we've been enduring.
I cannot believe how generous you fellow researchers are to take the time to help me with this post. Having looked at the various posts I can say that it looks a bit of a minefield. I have no evidence that Helen was American but saw the reference on Ancestry in my initial post and thought it worth asking for help just to see what it contained. I don't believe that this is the right Helen.
Regrettably, Rachael is no longer with us I'm afraid but her daughter has been trying for some time to discover more about her birth and family members. I am trying to help her. Rachael told her daughter that she believed her mother Helen was very young when she gave birth to her, possibly only 17. Hence my guess at her birth as 1929. She also thought that her mother may have been either Polish or German. The only other information we have, from Rachael's birth certificate, is that Helen worked as a domestic servant at the Ear, Nose and Throat Hospital in Golden Square, London, W.C.
I have not yet investigated whether any staff records exist of this establishment.
I need to study the posts submitted by you kind folks in a little more detail, but if anything else comes to light, please let me know.
Thank you all once again.

Just for ref the Throat hospital in 1939 is listed as "Nobody lived in this house in 1939"

Household (2 People * in error I think) )
Throat Hospital Golden Square , City of Westminster, London, England

info re hospital

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=272

https://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/rntnehgolden.html

Ronald I will send you a message with some info on potential sister as posted, so you can follow it up if wished.

The message will show in 'Messages' top of page, click on the envelope to open.

Thank you Rambling, I've replied to you. Very much appreciated

You can use these links to search the main US census

1850 https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1401638
1860 https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1473181
1870 https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1438024
1880 https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1417683
1890
1900 https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1325221
1910 https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1727033
1920 https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1488411
1930 https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1810731
1940 https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2000219

There is a 72 year closure. The census does go back yo 1790, but pre-1850, only the head of h/h was named, and the rest of the h/h just shows up as counts in age-sex categories.
Also, 1890 was 99.99% destriyed by fire.
Some states did their own censuses, often 5 y after the federal census.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQRS-7WG
Event Type Census
Event Date 1940
Event Place Assembly District 3, Brooklyn, New York City, Kings, New York, United States
[Address 428 columbia Street - gotten from cols 1 & 2 of image]
Albert Knoebel Head M 57 New York
Julia Knoebel Wife F 37 New York
Helen Knoebel Daughter F 11 New York
James Knoebel Son M 9 New York
Thomas Knoebel Son M 7 New York
Martin Knoebel Son M 2 New York


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQKG-1RB
Event Type Census
Event Date 1940
Event Place Ward 4, Helena, St. Francis Township, Phillips, Arkansas, United States
[1058 Wilson Street]
William D Knoble Head M 51 Arkansas [Insurance & Real Estate]
Norine Knoble Wife F 37 Mississippi
Billy Knoble Son M 13 Arkansas
Helen Knoble Daughter F 10 Arkansas
Helen Meek Sister-in-law F 27 Mississippi



This is Andy's 1940 - the surname is transcribed as Russel, but the image is blurry, and I think Knobel is correct

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4RN-3FP
Event Type Census
Event Date 1940
Event Place Ward 5, Hoboken, Hoboken City, Hudson, New Jersey, United States
[260? Park Ave]
Charles Russel Head M 32 New Jersey
Catharine Russel Wife F 30 New Jersey
Helen Russel Daughter F 12 New Jersey
Margaret Russel Daughter F 8 New Jersey

The URLs given above do all have links to the page images.

As a child in 1950 Wembley, one of our neighbours was a US civilian employee working at a big USAF base nearby in Ruislip. He was rhere with his wife and kids (who I think were born in the UK). I don't know his route there - if he and his wife went first to France or Italy say, that wouldn't show up in UK inbound passenger lists.He could have demobbed in Europe, and have his wife come over to join him, - I just don't know.

Thanks for your post mgnv. I'll check out the references. I need to speak to my cousin about all of the posts, so will come back on the boards in a while.