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Really appreciate all your help.

Thanks again, great job.

??? With wrong YOB ?? But pretty much matching the 1939 record:



Mary A Lee
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Mary A Lee
Death Age: 64
Birth Date: abt 1881
Registration Date: Dec 1945
Registration district: Dover
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1652

Because she was still in Dover in 1935, I think the Dover 1939 record is the correct one, in spite of the fact that it give her YOB as 1880.

Although the FMP transcription says "married", the image says "W".

Walter and Florence in Bexley don't seem have anything to do with the Lees we're looking for.


Well done finding that very helpful funeral notice, Choccy!

ArgyllGran, I'm now unsure which of those 1939 transcripts is correct, if any!

I found that death in Kent and the age was nearer so followed it up by looking at the probate. No sure now if it is related or just a coincidence that another Mary Lee was known as Emma.

William Bell Lee was my late husband's 2nd cousin 2x removed. His mother Sarah Sawkins was his 1st cousin 3x removed.

:-)

Mary (Emma) was definitely born in 1877.
Thanks for all your help. Funeral notice I think is a definite.

Dover Express 31st May 1935

RIVER - Funeral of Mr W B Lee

The funeral took place on May 24th at River Churchyard of Mr William Bell Lee who died on May 20th at the age of 59 years. The Rev J D Brockman officiated and the mourners present were - Mrs E Lee (widow), Charles Lee (son), Annie Lee (daughter), Bert Lee (brother), Ada and Edie (sisters), May and Annie (sisters in law), Lena, Kitty, Dolly and Olive (nieces), Maud (sister in law), George (brother in law) and Mr. J. Dann (representative of the Duke of Yorks Royal Military School).

Floral tributes were sent from - his wife and son, Dink, Pat and family, Mother Nance, George and Kitty, Bert, Nancy and family, Ada, Charles, Olive, Reg and Lily, Edie and family (London), May and Lena, Dolly, Steve and family, Maud and Nora, Beat and Eileen (Aldershot), Mr and Mrs Faulk (Guildford), old pal Frank, workmates of the Duke of Yorks R M School, Womens Institute, River; Mr and Mrs Baldwin, Mr and Mrs Arnold and family (Glenfarg), Mr and Mrs McKim, Miss Wells, Mrs. Sharp and Winnie, Mrs Collins, Mr and Mrs T Finn.

Funeral arrangements carried out by Mr E F W Lewis of 7 Cranbrook Villas, London Road, Dover.

Just noticed - FMP's transcription of the 1939 for Florence and family has mixed up all the DOBs.
Here's Ancestry's, with correct DOBs:



Florence E E Lee
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Florence E E Lee
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 24 Dec 1870
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 11
Residence Place: Bexley, Kent, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 7
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: CJHZ
Registration district: 43-1
Inferred Spouse: Walter J Lee
Household Members:
Name
Walter J Lee - 29 May 1871 - married
Florence E E Lee - 24 Dec 1870 - married
Emma Lee - 12 Jan 1873, widow, invalid
Alfred C Lee - 2 June 1897 - married
Jessie K M Lee - 13 March 1893 - married
Alfred J P Lee - 9 Oct 1919 - single



Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Lee Alfred J P Gill Weymouth 5a 522


Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
CLARK Florence Ellen E Holborn 1b 1463
Lee Walter James Holborn 1b 1463


Per 1901 and 1911 censuses, Walter James was born in Catford, Kent

LEE, WALTER JAMES mms KIRBY
GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in LEWISHAM UNION Volume 01D Page 821

RG -
On page 1 you posted a different 1939 for Mary/Emma.
Copying here again for ease.


REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Lee Household (1 Person)
40 River Street , Dover M.B., Kent, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S)

Mary E A Lee
DOB 13 May 1880
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Household Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 95
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1
Ref: RG101/1714E/009/07 Letter Code: DHLH
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Are you now thinking that's the wrong one?

Emma (Mary Ann) with Florence in 1939. Is this your Emma?


1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Lee Household (6 People)
11 Haslemere Road , Bexley M.B., Kent, England

Florence E E Lee
DOB 29 May 1871
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Printer Retired
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 7
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Walter J Lee
DOB 18 Sep 1898
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Shop Ass Book Dept Old Age P
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 7
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Emma Lee
DOB 24 Dec 1870. <<<<<<<<<< 12 Jan 73 on image
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Dom Duties
MARITAL STATUS Widowed
SCHEDULE 7
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3

Alfred C Lee
DOB 12 Jan 1873
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Invalid
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 7
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 4

Jessie K M Lee
DOB 02 Jun 1897
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Civil Ser Admira
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 7
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 5

Alfred J P Lee
DOB 13 Mar 1893
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Unpaid Dom Duties
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 7
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 6
Ref: RG101/1233A/002/24 Letter Code: CJHZ
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Lee, Mary Ann Emma otherwise Emma of 11 Haslemere Road, Bexley Heath, Kent, widow died 24 October 1951. Administration with will (London) to Florence Eleanor Elizabeth Lee married woman. Effects £191. 16s. 10d.

Evelyn only ever spoke about William. None of her children knew there were other brothers until 10 years ago. The children knew Jessie, Henry’s wife, but nothing about Henry, he died before any of them were born.

1881c
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability William GRIMMER Head M Male 31 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Smaksman (Fisher) Mary A. GRIMMER Wife M Female 34 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Martha COOK Other U Female 29 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Silk Winder Mary A. COOK Other Female 4 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 6 St Nicholas Place St Nicholas Road Census Place Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Family History Library Film 1341462 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1913 / 37 Page Number 27
This one does show Mary the daughter if Martha.

Re Henry George:

Henry George, born 1884, is in the workhouse in 1891 census - where was Martha? Had she abandoned him?.
He was living with William and Emma in 1901, and with his mother in 1911.
He also married in 1911.


Maybe he was ashamed of being illegitimate?

You say his sons were brought up thinking he was an orphan - what about his daughter Evelyn (on your tree) ?

Martha died before the sons were born, and so had her eventual husband Benjamin Catchpole, so maybe Henry didn't feel like explaining about his complicated background to his sons.

Is this maybe Martha in 1891, having lied about her age (or just a mistake being made) ?:

Martha Cook
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Martha Cook
Gender: Female
Age: 34
Relationship: Servant
Birth Year: 1857
Birth Place: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth
Residence Place: Great Yarmouth, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Sub registration district: Yarmouth Northern
ED, Institution or Vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Piece: 1502
Folio: 86
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Blogg 28
Elizabeth Blogg 27
Harriett Blogg 10
Elizabeth Blogg 8
Beatrice Blogg 5
Lottie Blogg 3
Thomas Blogg 2
Jesse Knights 33
Martha Cook 34

On the 1911 census William's birthplace is Woolwich Green. As ArgyllGran has said, I think the enumerator misinterpreted Woolage Green and assumed it was Woolwich.

I had already posted the 1881 and 1891 census for Ada's brother, William Bell Lee. Also his birth showing same mmn as Ada's and his death. I also posted a possible for Mary in 1939 and a possible death for her in Devon.

On the image of the 1901 census it looks more like a "G" to me rather than "St" on the birthplace so again, I think Woolage has been recorded as Woolwich. Easily done as they would sound very similar and unless the enumerator was familiar with that area, he would be none the wiser.

EDIT

Sorry, I hadn't posted the possible death for Mary. Not Devon ( where the devil did I get that from? Senior moment lol)


Dec 1951 (>99%)
LEE Mary A E 78 Dartford 5b 387

Sad, but not necessarily strange.

Maybe they just had a big falling out.

I was talking to family members last night about all this. We found it really strange that Henry never mentioned Mary or her family. He also never mentioned his mother. Henry’s sons were brought up thinking he was an orphan.
Anyone else think that’s strange?

From a random search on Ancestry for people born in Woolwich, some people were born in Woolwich, Kent, or Woolwich Green, Kent.
So presumably Woolage, spelled Woolwich.

For EXAMPLE ONLY (this person has nothing to do with the Lees):

Clara C Fox
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Clara C Fox
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Womenswould
Ecclesiastical parish: Womenswould
Town: Woolwich Green
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Bridge
Sub-registration district: Barham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 791
Folio: 68
Page Number: 4
Household schedule number: 23


On the image of the 1901 census on Ancestry, William Lee's birthplace is clearly written as "Ldn Woolwich St Margarets".

But as suggested above, perhaps the enumerator was told "Woolage" but thought they were saying "Woolwich", and assumed it was the one in London,

On the 1911 census (posted on page 1), William's birthplace is given as Woolwich, Kent.

I've already mentioned that William Henry is NOT the right man, as he died in 1901, whereas Mary/Emma's husband is still alive and gardening in 1911.

Thanks Maddie

womenswold is next door to woolage village so the only birth that fits is this

William Bell Lea
Gender
Male
Baptism Date
09 Jul 1876
Baptism Place
Womenswould, Kent, England
Father
Henry Lea
Mother
Sarah Lea
FHL Film Number
1835873

1881
Frogham Street, Nonington, Eastry, Kent, England
Henry Lea Head Married Male 28 1853 Ag Lab Surrey, England
Sarah Lea Wife Married Female 29 1852 - Nonington, Kent, England
Anne C F Lea Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Nonington, Kent, England
William B Lea Son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar Womenswold, Kent, England
Charles H Lea Son Single Male 2 1879 - Womenswold, Kent, England
Edith Mary Lea Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Nonington, Kent, England
John Castle Boarder Single Male 18 1863 Ag Lab Nonington, Kent, England

1891 ada charlotte
Barfreston Court, Barfreston, Eastry, Kent, England
Henry Lee Head Married Male 38 1853 Gardener Redhill, Surrey, England
Sarah Lee Wife Married Female 39 1852 - Nonington, Kent, England
Annie C Lee Daughter Single Female 17 1874 - Dover, Kent, England
Charles Hy Lee Son - Male 12 1879 Farmers Boy Woolwich, Kent, England
Edith M Lee Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Frogham, Kent, England
Ada C Lee Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Nonington, Kent, England
Albert E Lee Son - Male 0 1891 - Kent, England