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I don't have a sub to FMP, so can't look at the record there, but Dea posted the details on page 2 of this thread, so it must be visible

So I did AG !!!!! - I wonder how I did that ??

I can't see the name just now but I obviously saw it before on FMP - I will go back and see if I can sort out how I did it ....................................... :-S :-S

Back soon,

Dea x

And in fact, Jan, after Dea had posted it, you replied:
"Thank you so much for looking Dea, yes we did find that earlier . . . . . . . "

so you must have seen it too!

By searching just with the occupation "lay sister" in Hastings, I've found the entry on Ancestry - but with no name transcribed, because it's covered by the black line:

1939 England and Wales Register
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1918
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: Hastings , Sussex , England
Occupation: Nun Lay Sister
Enumeration District: EIDH
Household Members:
Name
(not transcribed)

Yes AG - I have taken another look and although FMP are reasonably quick at updating the transcriptions they do not update the images so although we can now see the name etc. on transcription those details on the image remain covered.

Dea x

That shows the 1918 dob too, so its not just me who got confused

Interesting news, but sadly nothing that helps to find Agnes.

The priest from Blandford Forum called me back this morning; he'd visited the cemetery but hadn't been able to find either of the graves, so went to see the Town Clerk who said that, because neither plot had been purchased, they didn't have headstones. So no date of birth :-(

I again wondered why she had given the Presbytery as her address, he suggested she might have been housekeeper. Just a minute, he said, I have a parishioner here who has lived in Blandford all her life, I'll ask if she remembers. She remembered that Dorothy had been housekeeper there, so obviously that is why Agnes went there.

A few minutes ago I received Dorothy's death certificate, which seems to confirm Anne's story of her killing her lover in a motel, and then committing suicide (unless it was the other way round).

Date and Place of Death: 14/10/1987, Penny Hill Park Hotel, Bagshot, Surrey

Occupation and Address: Housekeeper, The Presbytery, Blandford Forum.

Certificate received from M J C Burgess, Coroner for Surrey. Inquest held 27/11/1987.

Cause of death: 1(a) Shock and Haemorrhage
(b) Multiple (illegible) and stab wounds. Open verdict.

I have telephoned the hotel to see if they have any records referring to this, and they have said they'll investigate and get back to me. I'll try and see if I can get information from the inquest too.

Do any of you wonderful people have access to newspaper archives, and would be willing to see if you could find more information about this, now we have precise dates and location?

There is a small mention of the incident here:

http://www.open.ac.uk/Arts/history-from-police-archives/RB1/Pt4/pt4TL198690.html

1987, 14 October: Staff in an hotel in the north of the county found the bodies of a male and female sprawled across the bed in a badly bloodstained room. Both had suffered horrific knife wounds. The man was murdered by the woman who then stabbed herself over one hundred times before she died.218

1980s: early Bill Bethell: In the early 80s the Special Crime Patrol Unit were involved in a Camberley murder investigation at Pennyhill Park Hotel. A doctor had been stabbed to death and a woman who was with him had killed herself.

She turned out to be the doctor's lover and I believe she wanted him to get divorced and marry her but he was not of the mind to do it. We traced the purchase of the knife to a hardware shop in Swindon where the sales person recognised the woman as the buyer of the death knife.

As an aside, Les Martin and I visited the factory in Sheffield where the knife had been made. The guy we saw up there gave me a pruning knife which is still as sharp as the day it was given to me and is still in use in the garden!

Mo Clarke: Two people were found dead in a hotel suite at Pennyhill Park Hotel in Bagshot both were in bed. Mid 1980s I think. At first it was thought to be a double murder. Blood everywhere, even over the ceiling. His head was almost severed at the neck. She had multiple stab wounds and bled to death.

Then it transpired that the murder weapon, a large kitchen knife found at the scene, was bought by the lady. The receipt was found in her hand bag. But that was after various people had been sent to the factory in Sheffield where the knife had been made, then tried to trace it via distributers, warehouses, etc. Lots of over time, you know the sort of thing!

It turned out to be a crime of passion. The couple, who were far from young, met regularly in the hotel for their trysts. But he had decided to end the affair but she decided to do the same by other means.

Dea x

Thanks Dea. She at least was 70 at the time, and a former nun. I'm trying to find his name, Anne has just said he was a famous herbalist.

The article says he was a Doctor.

You could contact the library closest to where the incident took place - they will probably keep local newspapers and might be willing to do a look up for you as you have the exact dates. - They may make a small charge.

Or, you could find out what the local newspaper was and contact them yourself - they must keep an archive.

Dea x

I think I'm going to have to admit defeat, and hope I am still compus mentis when the 1921 comes on line.

Jan, take a break, have another look in a few months! It's amazing what crops up online. You've done amazing work on this family. I know Agnes still needs to be found before her marriage, but you' have have made some progress on her life story.

Just as AustinQ has said - don't give up just take a break.

Come back to it after a while and we will still all be here to help.

This thread has come on an awful long way - It can go further given time and patience.

Dea Xxx

Thank you, I will. Without all your great help, it wouldn't have got anywhere near as far as it has, and its been wonderful to have someone to bounce ideas off.

Part of a PM from Jan today - re Douglas William Harrington 1920:

"I have been told that the above (son of the illusive Agnes Mary Kelly) served on HMSs Chamois, Forester and Emerald during WW2, but I haven't been able to find any record about this. Could you please point me in the right direction? "

I have replied that WW2 records are still with the MOD.

Can anyone add more to that?

How much do you believe in coincidence?

When I started looking for Anne's father, Douglas William Harrington (whose family were Boot Makers and Linen Drapers), I found there were two of that name born in Fulham, one in 1910 and the other in 1920. The latter was Anne's father, who had 2 sisters, Dorothy Mary and Kathleen. I have recently discovered that he remarried, his 2nd wife's maiden name being Avery.

Recently I started to look into the 1910 DWH, to see if they were related. No luck so far, though I discovered that his uncle Herbert married an Ivy Margueritte Avery.

Whilst trying to trace Agnes Mary Harrington (nee Kelly), I found an Agnes M Harrington in the 1939 Register living in Bedfordshire with her husband William, Master Draper. I have since found she was in fact Millicent Agnes (nee Reynolds), his 2nd wife. With his first wife he had three daughters, two of whom were named Dorothy May and Kathleen.

Does this prove anything, other than that this family is still driving me crazy?

Blotide'''''Who''''''killed . her lover' named A Catholic priest's housekeeper who police believe fatally stabbed her married lover before killing herself in their hotel suite has been named. Miss Dorothy Harrington, 59, was found on the bed with father-of-six Lambert Mount, a homeopathic doctor, aged Her home was at the presbytery in Blandford Forum, Dorset, where she cared for 80-yearold Father William Pedric. Villagers described her as a blonde, sports car driving extrovert -- "a colourful character" who was well known and "a bit formidable" . Estate agent Mr David Thomas, a member of the Our Lady of Lourdes congregation, said Father Pedric had been shattered by the news. The couple had booked into the £lOO-a--night Pennyhill Park Hotel where they had staged before in Bagshot, Surrey, on Tuesday. They were not seen outside their room after their arrival, and did not have breakfast on Wednesday, A row was heard inside shortly before Ipm, and a distraught woman telephoned the hotel receptionist and pleaded for help. Two hotel maids rushed to the room and found the couple dead. Dr Mount had multiple stab wounds to the front of his body and a cut throat ma …………………………………………………this is from Sandwell Evening Mail Friday 16th Oct 1987 Mavis

Oh, well found, Mavis!

[New Zealander murdered]
Date
17 October 1987
Description
Dr Lambert Mount (53 years old), a former prominent Auckland homeopath, has been murdered in a bizarre double killing in Surrey, Britain.
Source : New Zealand Herald, p1.
Auckland Libraries.

https://tinyurl.com/y37pe32v




Another small mention of him here:

"Shortly after I started practice, my good friend Dr Lambert Mount, a renowned classical homeopath sent patients to me for acupuncture and I started to send people to him for the things acupuncture could not fix."
https://www.rosedaleclinic.co.uk/chris-boardman

from Hastings and St Leonards Observer Saturday 10th July 1948

HARRINGTON. On June 30th, 1948, Langford,” 3, Chapel Park Road. Montague Douglas Harrington, beloved husband of Agnes Harrington and father Kathleen. Dorothy and Douglas, passed peacefully away R.LP.

Mavis