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Catherine
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15 Feb 2019 14:02 |
I think it is essential to buy the certificate. There will always be a doubt that this is the correct Thomas if you don't. The certificate will give you his father's name and occupation, which will confirm, or not if the census records are correct, and hence the correct family. It will also give you Thomas' age and his occupation, which will confirm, or not, if the military records are him.
If your friend does buy a copy, please post the information from it onto this thread, I would be interested to know if the information found is correct, or not. Thanks
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Terence
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15 Feb 2019 09:34 |
Once again I thank all you researchers for the information you have given and I will pass this on to my friend for him to look deeper in to the past and maybe purchase that wedding certificate we talked of earlier.
All the best,Terry L.
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Catherine
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15 Feb 2019 09:02 |
Thank you DetEcTive, appreciated.
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14 Feb 2019 23:01 |
We should point out that the vast majority of records from 1922, including WW2, are still with the MOD. It is possible to purchase a copy at a cost of £30. You'd certainly need a copy of his death certificate & know which branch he served in.
This is the link for obtaining UK service records: http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html
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14 Feb 2019 22:56 |
Responding to Catherine's post @ 22:21 Notes from column headed Transfers to other Corps or reason for becoming ineffective and record of re-enlistment (if any) (Including date)
First name(s) Thomas Last name Smallwood Age - Birth year - Birth place - Attestation year 1932 Service number 824167 Former service number - Record set Royal Artillery Attestations 1883-1942
Dated 19/10/35 AR Transferred C of (?) Police 11/12/39 ........
First name(s) Thomas Last name Smallwood Age - Birth year - Birth place - Attestation year 1937 Service number 866290 Former service number - Record set Royal Artillery Attestations 1883-1942
Dated 29/12/38 Para 204(15) TAR (Border Regt) Think this might mean the date he was discharged & the reason why. (Kings Regulations Para 204 (15) ) ......... First name(s) Thomas Last name Smallwood Age - Birth year - Birth place - Attestation year 1940 Service number 1614976
Dated 9/4/45 to RASC. Stamped HAA/S
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Catherine
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14 Feb 2019 22:21 |
When I had a look, 3 records came up and I was just wondering what they were about:-
Smallwood Thomas — — 1932 Royal Artillery Attestations 1883-1942 Great Britain View transcript. View image.
Smallwood Thomas — — 1937 Royal Artillery Attestations 1883-1942 Great Britain View transcript. View image.
Smallwood Thomas — — 1940 Royal Artillery Attestations 1883-1942 Great Britain View transcript. View image.
They may not be relevant but you never know?
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rootgatherer
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14 Feb 2019 22:07 |
As far as I am aware, WW2 records are not available online.
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Catherine
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14 Feb 2019 19:03 |
I don't have an account with findmypast anymore so could someone look up Thomas on WW2 Military records please.
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14 Feb 2019 18:27 |
Catherine's version from Ancestry is correct when looking at the original.
FMP has been transcribed wrongly in that it's a line out.
Thomas has been wrongly given Elfreda's DOB and occupation and she has the DOB and occupation of the person on the line below , the next door neighbour !
Have reported and asked how many other lines have been wrongly transcribed.
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Catherine
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14 Feb 2019 18:12 |
found on following site, could be interesting.
http://www.newmp.org.uk/article.php?categoryid=100&articleid=111&displayorder=40
1939-45 Military and Civilian names beginning with S Extracted from the Northern Daily Mail by the late S F Reed 31/05/2019
Smallwood T. Gunner 4/11/1944, message home on film, Travellers Rest, West Hartlepool, page 2, Column 5
looks to be Thomas, on film, maybe possible to view somehow?
Article in paper says:-
An army welfare film of Durham men in Burma, recording messages to their wives and relatives, was screened at Sunderland yesterday by Capt. J.Anderson, Army Welfare Officer for the Sunderland area. Amongst those who stepped forward and gave messages were (here there are other soldiers named, then) Gnr T Smallwood, Travellers Rest Hotel, West Hartlepool. The major of Sunderland presented each next of kin with a 'still' and also a negative from which to make other prints.
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Catherine
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14 Feb 2019 16:40 |
Ancestry version of 1939 posted by safc
Name: Thomas H Smallwood Gender: Male Marital status: Married Birth Date: 1 May 1915 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 95 Residence Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England Occupation: Brass Foundry Furnaceman Plate Moulder Heavy Wor Schedule Number: 9 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: NLDJ Registration district: 469/1 Inferred Spouse: Elfreda Smallwood Household Members: Name Thomas H Smallwood Elfreda Smallwood Birth Date: 24 Oct 1913 (Occupation: Fustian Weaver)
.............so there seems to be some discrepency between them both. This Thomas is Thomas H. and original gives his dob as 1 May 1915, so looks as though it is not correct Thomas.
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Maddie
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14 Feb 2019 15:48 |
marys departure and arrival
Name: Mary Smallwood Gender: Female Departure Date: 29 Aug 1955 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: New York, USA Ship Name: Maasdam Search Ship Database: Search for the Maasdam in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Holland-American Line
Name: Mary Smallwood Arrival Age: 40 Birth Date: 1 Dec 1914 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 10 Oct 1955 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ports of Voyage: New York Ship Name: Queen Mary Shipping Line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd Official Number: 7602/01
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Mary
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14 Feb 2019 15:01 |
Mary Smallwood of 43,Queensbury Avenue Hartlepool died 23/8/1993 born 1/12/1914
Mary Smallwood 1/12/1914 left new York arrived Southampton 10/10/1955 her address was Travellers Rest Hotel Hartlepool occupation Hotel Manageress
Thomas Smallwood of 43 Queensbury Avenue died 15/3/1994 he was born 24/10/1913,I can't find him in 1939!
A tree on ancestry has Thomas with same date of birth and death, he was born North Yorkshire registered V9d P919 in Guisborough to Thomas Smallwood 1878-1934 in the police force in 1911 and Mary Flanigan born Middlesborough 1876-1942
1939 Mary Smallwood born 17/9/1876 (Mother to Thomas 1913) Hotel licensee Travellers Rest Hartlepool Josephine Smallwood born 1915 married a Mr Joyce Kathleen Flanigan born 1883
So it seems to be the correct Thomas who married Mary Caden in 1940 do you agree?
Maryb.
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safc
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14 Feb 2019 14:52 |
Thomas Smallwood on the 1939 Register
1939 Register Transcription
Smallwood Household (2 People) 95 Hollinhall Street , Oldham C.B., Lancashire, England Add to tree View original image Print First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Thomas Smallwood 24 Oct 1913 Male Bustian Weaver Married 9 1 Elfreda Smallwood 09 Feb 1902 Female Corbonation Bus Driver Married 9 2
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Catherine
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14 Feb 2019 14:47 |
possible probate
Name: Thomas Smallwood Death Date: 15 Mar 1994 Death Place: Hartlepool Cleveland Probate Date: 10 May 1994 Registry: Newcastle-Upon-Tyne ..........of 43 Queensbury Ave. Hartlepool £201,681
which would give this as his death
Name: Thomas Smallwood Death Age: 80 Birth Date: 24 Oct 1913 Registration Date: Mar 1994 Registration district: Central Cleveland Inferred County: Cleveland Register Number: D46 District and Subdistrict: 3481D
which shows dob as 24 Oct 1913
possible birth:- Name: Thomas Smallwood Mother's Maiden Name: Flanigan Registration Year: 1913 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Guisborough Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding Volume: 9d Page: 919 ...............................
Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Flanigan Mary Middlesbro' 9d 1013 Smallwood Thomas Middlesbro' 9d 1013 ...................................
This looks to be above family in 1911 Name: Thomas Smallwood Age in 1911: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Mickleby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Coatham County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding Country: England Street address: 54 James Tarrace Warrenby Redcar Marital status: Married Occupation: Police Co Nstable Registration district: Guisborough Registration District Number: 534 Sub-registration district: Marske ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Piece: 29183 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Smallwood 33 Mary Smallwood 34 Mary Smallwood 6 Gladys May Smallwood 5 John Smallwood 3 Catherine Smallwood 2 Helen Smallwood 23 ............................
death of father above Name: Thomas Smallwood Death Age: 57 Birth Date: abt 1877 Registration Date: Dec 1934 Registration district: Whitby Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding Volume: 9d Page: 510 ............................so he wouldn't be on 1939
Mary in 1939
Name: Mary Smallwood Gender: Female Marital status: Widowed Birth Date: 17 Sep 1876 Residence Year: 1939 Address: TRAVELLERS REST. Strockton Road Residence Place: West Hartlepool, Durham, England Occupation: Hotel Licensee Schedule Number: 221 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: FEOI Registration district: 545/2 Household Members: Name Mary Smallwood General G Thompson This record is officially closed. Josephine Smallwood Birth Date: 30 Aug 1915 Kathleen Flanigan This record is officially closed. Muriel Merlin Lily Merlin ............................... SMALLWOOD, JOSEPHINE FLANIGAN GRO Reference: 1915 S Quarter in WHITBY Volume 09D Page 820 ..................................
death of Mary Name: Mary Smallwood Death Age: 65 Birth Date: abt 1877 Registration Date: Jun 1942 Registration district: West Hartlepool Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 207
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Terence
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14 Feb 2019 14:35 |
Hi,Kathleen.I did some research and did find a lot on Caden family but virtually nothing on Smallwood family.Thomas birth place not known. Terry L.
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KathleenBell
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14 Feb 2019 14:11 |
Do you know when Thomas was born and where?
Kath. x
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Terence
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14 Feb 2019 14:08 |
Thanks to all.Did some research myself and found quite a lot on Caden Family but nothing on Smallwood ancestors.
Terry L
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KathleenBell
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14 Feb 2019 14:01 |
As Erika has already said, you need the marriage certificate for addresses and hopefully for Thomas's father's name and occupation.
Kath. x
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MargaretM
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14 Feb 2019 13:59 |
Mary's parents' marriage:
Marriages Mar 1914 (>99%)
CADEN Henry McGinn Gateshead 10a 1568 McGINN Annie Caden Gateshead 10a 1568
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