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Hi
I am trying to find out when Winifred kate Appleby born abt 1878 died 1919.
Entered a work house in Bristol where she died.

She may of used her maiden name as she declared she was not married at the time I believe so her husband would not have to pay.
If any one can help

First name(s) WINIFRED K
Last name APPLEBY
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1878
Age 41
Death quarter 3
Death year 1919
District Bristol
County Gloucestershire
Volume 6A
Page 131
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

Deaths Sep 1919 (>99%)
Appleby Winifred K 41 Bristol 6a 131

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

11 Argyle St Eastville Bristol, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Winifred Kate Appleby's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Lydia Wride Head Widow Female 57 1854 - Barnstaple Devon
Winifred Kate Appleby Daughter Married Female 33 1878 Elementary School Teacher Bristol
Gertrude Amy Wride Daughter Single Female 30 1881 All Around Stationary Hand Bristol
Moses Hannon Boarder Single Male 30 1881 Miner Bath

Record Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

4, St Vincent Parade, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Winifred Appleby's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Walter Appleby Head Married Male 26 1875 Piano Forte Tuner London, Middlesex, England
Winifred Appleby Wife Married Female 23 1878 School Mistress Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

If you want to be any more specific about the date of death than Quarter 3 1919, you would need to get the death certificate. Unless you can find out if the workhouse records are available in the local Records Office or similar. You might be lucky to find her record.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Bristol/

Note - Many repositories impose a closure period of 100 years for records Identifying individuals.

Bristol workhouse records were virtually all destroyed by enemy action in 1940

Bristol Record office - B bond Warehouse Smeaton road, Bristol BS1 6XN
0117 922 4224

This has been really helpful thank you

Don't forget that even in 1919 the workhouse had an infirmary that was free and open to the local citizens.

1919 was also the time when Spanish Flu was raging in the UK.

If you buy that death certificate you will find the death date and cause of death, which might answer your questions

You can get a pdf of the certificate by email from GRO, for £6 until ca Feb 16, then price is going up.

She might indeed have said that she was a spinster so that her husband would not have to pay, OR he might have had to keep her at home if it was indeed the Spanish Flu.


The GRO url ..............

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

You have to register but it is free and safe.

Just follow the instructions Order Certificates Online

I do know that Winifred had curvature of the spine so the infirmary would make sense.
Walter Appleby I know would not of kept her at home as he was then with an Ida Capps.
What this has answered is he didn’t put her in the workhouse..
What is interesting is that Winifred is down as my Grandfather s Mother Reginald’ Charles Appleby born 1906 in St Pancras but Winifred we think was in Bristol!
Was it common place back then to lie?
He married Ida Capps after Winifred died.i do have a photo of Charles and Ida taken around 1912.
I guess I will never know

the st Pancras birth as this is the GRO record showing mothers maiden name was wride



APPLEBY, REGINALD CHARLES WRIDE
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in ST.PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 28 Order


So maybe they had parted by then and she went to London for some reason

She was a teacher so maybe she got a teaching post

This was the shocker when I got a copy of Reginald’s birth certificate.
As we thought Ida Capps was his mother and we did question Winifred giving birth with her spine.
It’s something I will never find the answer to.
As Walter was paid so the story goes to leave the family and he never had contact with them again. I did find him on a ship to New York but neither Winifred and Ida were on it. Walter didn’t stay too long as I found him on a return ship and then he went to Bristol.
What has been amazing is I have found descendants of Walters brother on this site.

What address does it give for her on the cert
Is she stil a teacher on it

she won't show on any electoral rolls then as woman hadn't got the vote at that time

23 Clarence Rd St Pancras.
Ida Capps was born abt 1879..
I wonder if there’s any census she’s on around 1905-1907. She didn’t marry Walter until she was 40 but I have a photo of her and Reginald taken around 1912
My dad has just sent me a copy of Winifred’s death certificate and she claimed she was a widow which wasn’t true as Walter was alive, but I believe back then he would of had to pay as they were married

But what about this 1911 census? It says they've been married 7 years.


Walter Charles Appleby
in the 1911 England Census
Name:
Walter Charles Appleby
Age in 1911:
37
Estimated birth year:
abt 1874
Relation to Head:
Head
Gender:
Male
Birth Place:
London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish:
St Marylebone
County/Island:
London
Country:
England
Street address:
31 Marylebone Lane W
Marital status:
Married
Occupation:
PIANO FORTE TUNER

Household Members:

Walter Charles Appleby 37
Ida Elizabeth Appleby 33
Reginald Charles Appleby 5

Quite interesting that 1911 census - here it is from FMP

Reginald's relationship to Walter is overwritten as son - but can't make out what the original said.

Someone has been very precise writing in the places of birth - see below

1911 Census For England & Wales
31 Marylebone Lane W, St Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Walter Charles Appleby Head Married Male 37 1874 Pianoforte Tuner London Eng
Ida Elizabeth Appleby Wife Married Female 33 1878 Ladies Tailor Portsmouth Eng
Reginald Charles Appleby Son Single Male 5 1906 - London Eng Wt Appleby 42 Aldenham St Oakley Sq London Ida Appleby Port


?(Wt) Appleby written above London, England on Reginald'splace of birth Line
then below that -
42 Aldenham St Oakley Sq London
Ida Appleby Portsmouth Barracks

Ida already in London by 1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
7, Princes Mews, St Margaret and St John the Evangelist Westminster, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas H Capps Head Married Male 31 1850 Clerk & Pensioner St Martin in the Fields, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Capps Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Percy Capps Son Single Male 6 1875 - Ireland
Albert Capps Son Single Male 4 1877 - Ireland
Ida Capps Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Ada Capps Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
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and as Elizabeth in 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Seaton Street, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Capps Head Married Male 41 1850 Clerk -
Elizabeth Capps Wife Married Female 39 1852 - -
Albert Capps Son Single Male 15 1876 - St Martin
Elizabeth Capps Daughter - Female 11 1880 - -
Harry Capps Son - Male 5 1886 - -

Still as Elizabeth in 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
8, Arlington Road, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Caps Head Married Male 52 1849 Commercial Clerk London, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Caps Wife Married Female 50 1851 - London, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Caps Daughter Single Female 22 1879 Dressmaker Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Alice Caps Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Upholstress London, Middlesex, England
Henry Caps Son Single Male 15 1886 Grocer's Assistant London, Middlesex, England

Greyghost, I think the original for the relationship for Reginald on that 1911 census said "child" and was changed to "son".

British Army Service Records

First name(s) Thomas Harland
Last name Capps
Birth year 1849
Birth parish St Martins in the Fields
Birth town London
Birth county Middlesex
Birth country England
Service number 1490
Rank SERGEANT
Regiment 109th Reg Of Foot
Year 1867
Attestation date 29 Oct 1867 (at Chatham)
Attestation age years 18
Attestation age months 3
Discharge corps 109th Reg Of Foot
Discharge service number 1490
Document type Discharge
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 97
Box 1909
Box record number 54
Record set British Army Service Records

discharged 20 Feb 1881 - prevented by disability from re-engaging - seems he sustained an Inguinal hernia whilst in India in 1870 through him falling into a water course when on duty during a Brigade parade

Was once each in Regimental defaulters book and once tried by courts Martial

Made it back to Sergeant having been reduced from Colour Sergeant to Private in 1875 for "Disgraceful conduct"

Served in India for over 3 years

At Mullingar ((County Westmeath) 1874
?Kilkenny (Co. Kilkenny) 1875
aldershot 1876
Portsmouth 1877
Aldershot 1879

Intended place of residence on discharge - 58 Great College Street, Kentish Town, London

British Army, Worldwide Index 1871

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Capps
Service number 1490
Rank Private
Unit or Regiment 109th Regiment of Foot (Bombay Infantry)
HQ location Roorkee ,India
Notes
Embarked for England on 20 April 1871
Year 1871
Country Great Britain
National Archives reference WO 12/10047
Period 01/04/1871-30/06/1871
Record set British Army, Worldwide Index 1871
Category