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7 Feb 2019 09:43 |
Wow wow wow. Thank you so much. Have searched these records several times without the success you have had. Yes she is the one who married Francois Petrzywalski and the rest does seem to have merit. The link with sister Alice seems strong. And Mame is a good corruption of Emma.
Shirley :-D :-D :-D :-D
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greyghost
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7 Feb 2019 00:02 |
This is very coincidental - but if the same Frederick as 1881 etc. then either he wasn't deceased when Mame married or it's the wrong family or perhaps they were estranged?
Have added areas of birth from the original.
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census York Road, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Frederick Marshall Head Married Male 44 1847 Hawker Stepney, London, Middlesex, England Marie Marshall Daughter - Female 12 1879 - Paddington, London, Middlesex, England Beatrice Marshall Daughter - Female 10 1881 - Clapham, London, Middlesex, England
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6 Feb 2019 23:44 |
The family in 1881 with "pet names"
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census 95, Paradise Road, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Frederick Marshall Head Married Male 34 1847 Waiter Stepney, Middlesex, England Emma A Marshall Wife Married Female 32 1849 - Hackney, Middlesex, England Jessie J Marshall Daughter Single Female 12 1869 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England George Marshall Son Single Male 11 1870 - Hackney, Middlesex, England Minnie Marshall Daughter Single Female 6 1875 - Hackney, Middlesex, England Mary Ann Marshall Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Paddington, Middlesex, England Beatrice E Marshall Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Clapham, Surrey, England
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6 Feb 2019 23:22 |
Other siblings -
NAME: George Marshall GENDER: Male RECORD TYPE: Baptism BAPTISM DATE: 11/09/1870 BAPTISM PLACE: Hackney South Hackney St John of Jerusalem England FATHER: Frederick Marshall MOTHER: Emma Ann Marshall
Frampton Park Road. Fredk a porter
------------------ NAME: Jane Isabella Marshall GENDER: Female RECORD TYPE: Baptism BAPTISM DATE: 10/12/1873 BAPTISM PLACE: Southwark Bermondsey St James England FATHER: Frederick Marshall MOTHER: Emma Ann Marshall
81 Princes Road. Potman
EDIT - DoB 23.9.1873 - Surrey Baptisms
---------------------- Name: Louisa Marshall Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 17 Dec 1883 Baptism Place: Bethnal Green St Barnabas, Tower Hamlets, England Father: Frederick Marshall Mother: Emma Ann Marshall
30 Roman Road. Waiter
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6 Feb 2019 23:14 |
I know it happens but - the 1871 census posted as a possible by Andrew (Andy) shows Father Frederick as a Potman.
Bit of a meteoric rise if he was a Gentleman (albeit deceased) by 1888 !
To confirm - a note in the margin of that Baptism of 11 Nov 1866 gives the birthdate as 11 October 1866 (not showing in the post) Frederick a Barman (or Beerman)
--------------------------------------- this looks to be sister Alice's baptism if they are the children of Frederick and Emma Ann -
Name: Alice Marshall Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 4 Apr 1875 Baptism Place: Paddington St Mary Magdalene, Westminster, England Father: Frederick Marshall Mother: Emma Anne Marshall
Frederick is a Waiter by 1875. Address 51 Cirencester Street
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6 Feb 2019 22:46 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Hampstead Road, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Francis A J Petrzywalski Head Married Male 23 1868 Tobacconist St James, London, Middlesex, England Mame Ann Petrzywalski Wife Married Female 34 1857 Tobacconist Clapham, London, Middlesex, England George Jules Petrzywalski Son - Male 2 1889 - St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Edmund Petrzywalski Son - Male 0 1891 - London, Middlesex, England Alice Marshall Sister In Law - Female 16 1875 Scholar Paddington, Middlesex, England
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6 Feb 2019 22:42 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 3, Wildfell Terrace, Lewisham, London & Kent, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Francis R J Petrzywalski Head Married Male 35 1866 Wholesale Woollen Merchants London, England Mame A Petrzywalski Wife Married Female 34 1867 - Clapham, Surrey, England George J Petrzywalski Son Single Male 11 1890 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England Edmund Petrzywalski Son - Male 10 1891 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England Ralph Petrzywalski Son - Male 3 1898 - Catford, Kent, England Dagmar Petrzywalski Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Catford, Kent, England
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6 Feb 2019 22:33 |
Petrzywalski Household (2 People) "houston" Hever Avenue , Dartford R.D., Kent, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Mame A Petrzywalski 11 Oct 1866 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 67 2 Jules F R Petrzywalski 15 Sep 1865 Male Shipping Manger (Retired) Married 67 1
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6 Feb 2019 22:32 |
1871 census??
Name: Emma Ann Marshall Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relation: Lodger Gender: Female Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Hackney St John Ecclesiastical parish: Hackney St John County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: West Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Household schedule number: 56 Piece: 324 Folio: 143 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Saml Schofield 47 Fredk Marshall 24 Emma Ann Marshall 22 >>>>Emma Ann Marshall 4 Jane Isabella Marshall 2 George Marshall 7 Months
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6 Feb 2019 22:30 |
1939 gives date of birth as 11th oct 1866.
Name: Mame A Petrzywalski Gender: Female Marital status: Married Birth Date: 11 Oct 1866 Residence Year: 1939 Address: "Horiston" Residence Place: Dartford, Kent, England Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties Schedule Number: 67 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: DJEJ Registration district: 43/2. Inferred Spouse: Jules F R Petrzywalski Household Members: Name Jules F R Petrzywalski Mame A Petrzywalski
Same as this baptism!!
London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Emma Ann Marshall Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 11 Nov 1866 Baptism Place: Shoreditch St Leonard, Hackney, England Father: Frederick Marshall Mother: Emma Ann Marshall
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6 Feb 2019 22:30 |
According to the marriage certificate, she is aged 21 and her father Frederick was a gentleman and deceased.
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6 Feb 2019 22:24 |
Record Transcription: Westminster Marriages
First name(s) Francis Raphael Jules Last name Petrzywalski Age 22 Birth year 1866 Residence - Marriage year 1888 Parish St James, Piccadilly Spouse's first name(s) Mame Ann Spouse's last name Marshall Spouse's age 21 Spouse's birth year 1867 Spouse residence - County Middlesex Country England Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre Record set Westminster Marriages
From image - Francis - 22 Bachelor Tobacconist Living in St James at time of marriage Father - John a Baker Mame Ann - 21 Spinster of St Marylebone.Father Frederick - Gentleman deceased
Married by Licence Both signed Witnesses CH Moore and __ Petrzywalski - initial unclear
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6 Feb 2019 22:15 |
Welcome to the boards Shirley.
For an idea of dates - is this the marriage you refer to - her name here given as Mama Ann Marshall
England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
First name(s) FRANCIS R J Last name PETRZYWALSKI Marriage quarter 3 Marriage year 1888 Registration month -
FRANCIS R J PETRZYWALSKI married one of these people Mama Ann Marshall, Joseph Whalen, France Jane Warner District Westminster District number - County London Country England Volume 1A Volume as transcribed 1A Page number 961 Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
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Shirley
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6 Feb 2019 22:06 |
I am really struggling to find my great grandmother in records. This is her name on her marriage certificate but there is no trace of her earlier. She had a sister Alice and is on the census as having been born in Clapham.
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