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Name: James Vincent
Gender: Male
Marriage or Bann Date: 9 Oct 1834
Marriage Place: Glastonbury, St John, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: St John Baptist Glastonbury
Spouse: Mary Cook

Think this is John's burial. Sure I saw on his army record that he was reported to have died on 7 Feb 1859.

Somerset Burial Index

First name(s) John
Last name Merriott
Age 36
Birth year 1823
Residence Magdalen St
Death year -
Burial year 1859
Burial date 13 Feb 1859
Denomination Anglican
Place Glastonbury
Church St Benedict
County Somerset


Yes, they are in Magdalen Street in 1851.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

St Benedict, Wells, Somerset, England

James Vincent Head Married Male 52 1799 Tailor Glastonbury, Somerset, England
Mary Vincent Wife Married Female 43 1808 Tailors Wife Glastonbury, Somerset, England
John Merriott Stepson Unmarried Male 28 1823 Chelsea Pensioner Glastonbury, Somerset, England

Yes I do have a copy of Helens Marriage certificate.
I also have copies of Johns Service Record from the National Archives. These are not easy to read as they were downloaded and emailed to me.

Thank you to all those who have taken the time to help. As you all quickly realised I wrote in the wrong dates for Helen and Johns birth. Helen was born in approx 1826. I believe her brother was 3 years younger and although in one census he is said to have been born in Glastonbury his army records show Scotland as place of birth, I also believe John became a Chelsea Pensioner.
Mary Vincent appears in 1871 census living with Helen and Husband Charles. I have been struggling with this mystery for years so all suggestions most welcome.

This is the 1st time I have used this board so sorry I caused confusion

If Helen/Ellen is stated 20 in 1841 she was born in 1819/21/..


Have you got an actual copy of Helens marriage certificate to Charles Savage.rather than a transcription.?


There is this marriage but surname is not the same.but allowing for a mistranscript.

HARRIOTT
JOHN
MARY MACMILLAN/
01/05/1815
507/
50 112
Campbeltow.


also these.but one a wrong name and one possibly too late.

MARRIOTT
JOHN
MARY ALLAN/FR5718 (FR5718)
26/04/1836
685/1
650 106
Edinburgh
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MERRIOTT
MICHIAEL
JANE LINDSAY/FR4951 (FR4951)
03/03/1815
685/3
180 378
Canongate

Presumably this is the record you have for John (from Ancestry) - but more details need a Fold3 sub:

UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920
Name: John Marriott
Enlistment Age: 17
Discharge Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1823
Birth Place: Edinburgh, Edinburgh
Enlistment Year: 1840
Discharge Year: 1849
Regiment: 10th Royal Regt Of Hussars
Regimental Number: 939


That would fit with the 1851 census.

There's this one, which might be a mistranscription - but it's not in Edinburgh area, and there's no sign of Helen and John maybe being born as Gill.

I'm only posting it because it's there, and NOT because I think it might be the right one.

Not all births or marriages were recorded at that time. I don't think we'll ever find what you're looking for.

MINGENT
JAMES
MARY GILL/FR710 (FR710)
08/03/1823
812/
30 25
Annan

Where ..which site . have you seen John Marriott/Merriotts army records please,?




There isn't a marriage showing for James Vincent in Scotland.

Thanks to everyone for trying to help, I realise I got my dates completely muddled when writing the request. As you have discovered Helen, also known as Ellen in one census, was born in 1826 and brother John in 1826
I was hoping to trace the father through John's Army records and discovered John Marriott or Merriott was also born in Edinburgh. John joined the Hussars and became a Chelsea Pensioner. The records were very difficult to read but mentioned Mary Vincent as mother,
This is the most frustrating search and I am happy to try and follow up all suggestions .....all help most welcome.

The 1841 census with daughter Charlott, posted by Shirley, (and which I also posted on the other thread!) isn't the correct one.

This is the family in 1841:

Ellen Marriott
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Ellen Marriott
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: St Benedict and St John Glastonbury
Hundred: Glaston Twelve Hides
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Wells
Sub-registration district: Glastonbury
Neighbors:
Piece: 943
Book: 3
Folio: 11
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
James Vincent 50 - tailor
Mary Vincent 40
Ellen Marriott 20 - dress maker

Possibly son John in 1841 ??


John Merriott
in the 1841 England Census
Name: John Merriott
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Martock
Hundred: Frome Martock
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Yeovil
Sub-registration district: Martock
Neighbors:
Piece: 951
Book: 2
Folio: 51
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hamblen 20
Thomas Rackett 25
John Stuckey 20
Charles Gillett 20
John Merriott 20 - boatman



And just a vague possibility for baptism - not too far from Glastonbury:


John Merritt
England Births and Christenings
Name John Merritt
Gender Male
Christening Date 26 Oct 1823
Christening Date (Original) 26 OCT 1823
Christening Place SION CHAPEL TUAM STREET-INDEPENDENT,BRIDGWATER,SOMERSET,ENGLAND
Father's Name James Merritt
Mother's Name Mary

Feedback from Sylvia with accurate date info is needed

The Black Watch, 3rd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland is an infantry battalion of the Royal Regiment of Scotland. The regiment was created as part of the Childers Reforms in 1881, when the 42nd Regiment of Foot was amalgamated with the 73rd Regiment of Foot.

So I wonder if she was married before so both children were illegitimate

Wonder too why she was in Scotland c1828 and having another child in 1830 back in Somerset

I believe the black watch wasn't formed till 1881

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Name: Mary Ann Charlotte Vincent
Baptism Date: 8 Jun 1830
Baptism Place: Farrington Gurney, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Farrington Gurney
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Father: James Vincent occ tailor
Mother: Mary Vincent

Mary must have married not long after Helen was born as there another daughter born c1830

View 1841 England Census

Name: James Vincent
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Gender: Male
Where born: Somerset, England
Civil Parish: St Benedict and St John Glastonbury
Hundred: Glaston Twelve Hides
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: tailor

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Registration district: Wells
Sub-registration district: Glastonbury
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 943
Book: 4
Folio: 37
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
James Vincent 36
Mary Vincent 43
Charlott Vincent 11

As you say no father stated on the cert


Name: Helen Marriott
Gender: Female
Age: Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 20 Aug 1850
Marriage Place: Glastonbury, St Benedict, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Glastonbury
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Spouse: Charles Savage

But still no sign of her birth on ScotlandsPeople - though the old parish registers aren't exhaustive. Many haven't survived, or no record may have been made in the first place.

Helen Savage
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Helen Savage
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles Savage
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Wedmore
Ecclesiastical parish: Wedmore
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Axbridge
Sub-registration district: Wedmore
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 1668
Folio: 43
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Savage 33
Helen Savage 35
Charles Wesley Savage 8
Caroline M Savage 6
George John Savage 4
Thomas Jas Savage 2
Helen Savage 2/12
William Pople 24