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Interesting thread about the family here:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744686.0

" An only son is stated to have been born 5 Feb 1915 at a private address in Upper Luton Road, Chatham, Kent but the birth was not registered. I cannot find Margaret [who in one letter in the military record signs her name Mabel, the other she signs as Margaret] after this letter of Oct 1915 from her address in Kings Lynn, Norfolk. This son, now dead, emigrated to Canada aged '15' in 1929 (having stated is birth date was 5 Feb 1914). He was not brought up by Margaret but in Devon by a Daisy Ann Potter Truman formerly Hadfield nee Danson from Folkstone, Kent who he claimed on his marriage in 1940 in New Brunswick to be his mother. "

>>>>>>>>>>> "Margaret [signs Mabel] told the army 'I never had him registered as I knew nothing about it but I am giving (sic) to understand that if I go to were (sic) he was born I could have him done but it would cost me five shillings and their (sic) would be my fare of course I can't meet the expenses at present but will in meanwhile try to get it by writing.' "

"John Charles Firmin the elder applying for a medal re WWI was at 6 Yard Place, Hood Street, Taunton as of 13 February 1922.
Amongst the same papers (on ancestry) noted he died of malaria and acute bronchitis 20 October 1923.
>>>>>>>>> If JCF Junior was with him in Taunton Devon, was he placed with a family as he was 7or 8 years old and his fathers health deteriorating."


"John Charles jnr was living with her [Daisy ] & husband Charles Truman in Exmouth when he emigrated in 1929 & he named her as his mother in 1940."

"Apparently John C jnr was 'put into a school' when young as Daisy could not cope with him - whether financially, practically or other reason we do not know. She had some somewhat shady ways of earning money which a young child were incompatible with"


And much more . . . .

So it looks as if we can stop looking for a birth record - there isn't one to find.

Maybe the above means that John junior was actually Margaret's son, not Daisy's?

Although, in spite of everything in that thread, as we've seen, John senior and Daisy were together in 1914 - so there was definitely something between them..

The 1923 death of John senior in Derby which I posted earlier was correct.

From that Rootschat thread:

" . . . . his death was reported by the Master of the Derby Union. Place of death Guardians Institution Derby. The Army received the notification of his death 15 November 1923."

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Daisy A Danson

New Brunswick, Canada, Marriages, 1789-1950



Name: Daisy A Danson
Gender: Female
Marriage Place: New Brunswick, Canada
Spouse: John C Firmin
Child: John Charles Firmin
Certificate Number: 18499

That's John junior's marriage to Mabel Lydia Murray, which Malyon posted on page 1, Mel.

I was just about to say that AG ;-)

If you want to see the actual cert it can be seen here:

https://archives.gnb.ca/Search/VISSE/141B7.aspx?culture=en-CA&guid=2716f213-8300-470b-a494-d2ffb32d268d

Dea x

Yes sorry about that I was reading the actual cert which Dea just put up and got a bit muddled. I went back and saw Malyon has posted it and was going to delete it but oh came out and you know what its like when the men arrive when you're doing something and I forgot.