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She appears on the 1891 census as Annie and Amy as a visitor in 1881
I'm assuming one and the same person. Ellen

Quite clearly shown as 'Amy' in 1881..........................

Where have you seen her as 'Annie' on the 1881 ?? - I seem to be missing something here?

Dea x

Thank you Erika!

Seeing Amy's birth date on the 1939 census confirms what year and quarter she might appear in. I wasn't able to see this information when I looked.

The only possible entry on Freebmd would appear to be for Amy Jane. Strange that the middle name Jane doesn't appear on any of the certifcates I have got for her. I guess this must be her.

Her father John Balchin was a carpenter on her marriage cerfitcate so it all seems to point to John and Ann being her parents, from the 1881 census.

I think seeing Amy's name on the 1881 census as Annie, lead me to doubt that they were one and the same person.

Thank you everyone for your replies. They have helped to confirm things for me.

Trying to pin down the family after the marriage

STEDMAN, ELLEN ELIZABETH ROSE BALCHIN
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 169
STEDMAN, - BALCHIN (Female)
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 158

First name(s) Ellen E Rose
Last name Stedman
Birth year 1906
Birth date 25 Aug 1906
Event year 1912
School name Alfold Board/Council School
Town Alfold
County Surrey
Country England
Parent name(s) Stedman Hubert
Book type Admissions
Archive reference 6188/1/4
Folio / page no. 28
Archive Surrey History Centre


1911 Census For England & Wales
The Lodge Park Farm Kirtlington, Kirtlington, Oxfordshire, England
Hubert Stedman Head Married Male 35 1876 Gardener Domestic Sussex Wanborough Green
Amy Stedman Wife Married Female 34 1877 - Surrey Wanborough
Ellen Stedman Daughter - Female 4 1907 - Surrey Farnham
Harold Stedman Son - Male 0 1911 - Oxon Kirtlington

1939
39 Brunswick Road , Bradford C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Amy Stedman 23 Sep 1876 Female Housewife Udd Married 142 2
Hubert Stedman 26 Mar 1879 Male Head Gardener Married 142 1

Ellen must just be going by this:

Name: Hubert Henry Stedman
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Sep 1905
Event Place: Canterbury St Paul, Kent, England, United Kingdom
Event Place: Canterbury, St Paul, Kent
Age: 29
Birth Year (Estimated): 1876
Father's Name: Henry Stedman
Spouse's Name: Amy Balchin
Spouse's Age: 27
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1878
Spouse's Father's Name: John Balchin
Page: 168
Digital Folder Number: 005265431
Image Number: 00279


Rose

You say you have her in 1939. Is she the Amy Stedman born September 1876?

Rose

Hi Ellen,

Could you please give us ALL the details from that marriage cert i.e. all names, ages, addresses, occupations etc., including the witnesses.

Thanks,

Dea x

What was her father’s occupation said to be when she married?

Who witnessed the marriage?

Other than the 1881 census posted, and the 1891 you already had, this is the only other census before her marriage I can find Amy, and it's no use with her parents.

She gives her birthplace as Flexford, same as in 1881. Flexford and Wanborough are both in the Guildford area:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Weyleas, Godalming Rural, Guildford, Surrey, England

George Owen Wheeler Head Married Male 29 1872 Bank Manager High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
Rosalie H Wheeler Wife Married Female 24 1877 - Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Gwendoline B Wheeler Daughter - Female 3 1898 - High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
Eileen B Wheeler Daughter - Female 2 1899 - High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
Elizabeth Avery Servant Single Female 25 1876 Cook Domestic Godalming, Surrey, England
Mary E Whiting Servant Single Female 27 1874 Nurse Domestic Newbury, Berkshire, England
>>>>>>>>>Amy Balchin Servant Single Female 24 1877 Housemaid Domestic Flexford, Surrey, England
Grace Wakefield Servant Single Female 13 1888 Housemaid Domestic Godalming, Surrey, England

Thank you Abby and Andy for your replies.
Kind of confirms what I thought. Food for thought.

Ellen

John Balchin
mentioned in the record of John Balchin and Ann Worsdfold
Name John Balchin
Spouse's Name Ann Worsdfold
Event Date 21 Aug 1858
Event Place Wonersh,Surrey,England
Father's Name James Balchin
Spouse's Father's Name James Worsdfold

Marriages Sep 1858 (>99%)
Balchin John Hambledon 2a 177
Wordsfold Ann Hambledon 2a 177

BALCHIN, HARMAN WORSFOLD Order
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in GUILDFORD Volume 02A Page 70

According to GRO one of the 'Amys' is Emily

BALCHIN, EMILY JANE WORSFOLD Order
GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in GUILDFORD Volume 02A Page 84

Andy

Thank you for your replies.

The information is what I have found and believe is probably my great grand mother.

I think the only way to check is with her birth certificate but I'm not sure that the entry on Freebmd is the one I need as Jane doesn't appear anywhere as a middle name on any family information I have which is not much.

I think the parish register is probably my best bet.

Thank you Ellen

????

Births Dec 1876 (>99%)
BALCHIN Amy Jane Guildford 2a 84
Balchin Amy Jane Guildford 2a 94

Record Transcription:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

The Elms Lodge, Woodbridge Road, Stoke Next Guildford, Guildford, Surrey, E


Amy Balchin

Record: Census Record

Location: London & Surrey, England


Amy Balchin's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Harper Head Married Male 50 1831 Gardener Domestic Svt Surrey, England
Emily Harper Wife Married Female 37 1844 - Alfold, Surrey, England
Beatrice Ede Sister Law Single Female 15 1866 - Alfold, Surrey, England
Amy Balchin Visitor Single Female 4 1877 - Surrey, England xxxxx

is this amy's parents

Record Transcription:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Pond Hill, Wanborough, Guildford, Surrey, England


William G Balchin's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Balchin Head Married Male 52 1829 Carpenter Wonersh, Surrey, England
Ann Balchin Wife Married Female 42 1839 Nurse S/m ((? Abroad)) Bromley, Surrey, England
Catherine Balchin Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Serv Out Of Place Wonersh, Surrey, England
John Balchin Son Single Male 13 1868 Scholar Wonersh, Surrey, England
Harman Balchin Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Wanborough, Surrey, England
Mary A Balchin Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Wanborough, Surrey, England
William G Balchin Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Wanborough, Surrey, England

Hi, I'm trying to establish the parentage of my great grandmother AMY/ANNIE BALCHIN

My problem is that I can't find a reference number on FreeBMD for an AMY/ANNIE Balchin's birth In 1877, Wanborough. This is the year and area that appears for her on the 1911 and 1939 census.

I'm not sure of her parentage and she only appears on one census before she got married in 1905. Her father is stated as John on her marraige certificate. I can only find a possible match for her on the 1891 census and she appears to be going by the name Annie.

On her marriage certificate she is Amy and on her children's birth certificates she is known as Amy.

Any help with this would be much appreciated.

Thank you Ellen