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I am looking for some help trying to track down Iris Peatman. She appears on the 1911 census as the grandaughter of Eliza Peatman, living in Ropsley, Lincolnshire with the same given as her birthplace. Her age is 2 or 3. I believe she is probably the illegitimate daughter of one of the children, possibly Maud Eliza 22 who is a live in cook to a clergyman in Allington Lincolnshire. However I can find no birth regn to enable me to confirm this. The only other possible trace of Iris I have found is on the 1939 register, which has an Iris Peatman, unmarried mother with a son Roy, in Ratcliffe on Trent, Notts. However, the entry shows her dob as 5 Oct 1910. The reg shows a change of last name for both Iris and Roy to Marshall made on 1 Sep 1948, but that hasn't helped as I can't trace a marriage. I should perhaps mention that there is another Iris Peatman in the wider family, but she wasn't born until 1922 in Nottinghamshire. Can someone else suceed where I have failed?
Julie

The records you mention, for our reference:


Iris Peatman
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Iris Peatman
Age in 1911: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
Relation to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ropsley, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Ropsley
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: Ropsley Grantham
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Grantham
Registration District Number: 417
Sub-registration district: Grantham South
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Piece: 19676
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Peatman 48
Walter Peatman 23
Lewis Peatman 19
Mary Peatman 17
Iris Peatman 3
Andrew Batton 38
James M Conachie 23


Iris Peatman
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Iris Peatman
[Iris Marshall]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 5 Oct 1910
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Main Road Radcliffe on Trent Notts
Residence Place: Bingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Occupation: House Maid
Schedule Number: 135
Sub Schedule Number: 5
Enumeration District: ROEP
Registration district: 433 Bingham
Household Members:
Name
Iris Peatman
Roy Peatman
Arthur Stockil
Herbert B Beech
Ada A Beech
This record is officially closed.
Nora Beech

Long shot -

Could Iris be the illegitimate daughter of one of the Peatman sons, and given his name in 1911 (or adopted by the Peatman family) , although registered under her mother's surname ???


BAKER, IRIS -
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in GRANTHAM Volume 07A Page 423

All the other Irises born in Grantham reg district 1907-9 are accounted for with their parents in 1911.

Could be a coincidence, but Eliza, the grandmother, was Eliza Baker before she married, and 2 of her siblings married 2 of her husbands siblings, so there were very close ties between the Baker and Peatman families. May not be such a long shot.

Like you, I can't see a Peatman/Marshall marriage anywhere.

Or Baker/Marshall, for that matter.

Yes, I've just been looking for Baker/Marshall marriages. Maybe the Iris Peatman on the 1939 Reg is a red herring, although I'm not going to discount it at this point. Clearly the 1939 reg entry for the son is open on the basis that a death has been matched to him. I haven't been able to find an Iris Marshall death, but I have traced a Royston Hayes Marshall death reg in Notts 1987 which might be related.

Roy was just Roy at birth, not Royston, so I have doubts about that death.
EDIT: No, I take that back. I see Royston's DOB was the same as Roy's per 1939.
And I don't see the birth of a Royston Marshall in 1934-5.

Re Iris - the day and month given in 1939 would fit with the 1907 birth.
1910 may just be a mistake
Or maybe she wanted to pretend she was still in her 20's!

I don't see an obvious death for her, though, as either Peatman or Marshall.
Perhaps she remarried.

I take it the Peatman/Rayner marriage is the other Iris Peatman ?

The other marriage is indeed the other Iris Peatman. I would have expected another amendment to the 1939 reg if she married again, unless of course the second marriage was after they stopped updating name changes.

???

Roy Marshall
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Roy Marshall
Arrival Age: 25
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1934
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival date: 12 Mar 1960
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: New York and Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Ship Name: Ivernia
Shipping line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 4640/01

Occupation: Salesman.
UK address: 354 Mansfield Road, Nottingham.
Country of last permanent residence: Canada.
Intending to stay for 8 months in the UK.


EDIT:

NO - not "our" Roy.
See next post.

Roy Marshall
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Roy Marshall
Arrival Age: 24
Birth Date: 30 Sep 1934
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival date: 5 Dec 1958
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Carinthia
Shipping line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 1963/01


Travelling with:
Benjamin Marshall 23/02/1904 - salesman
Louie Marshall (female) 21/02/1912
Charlotte Marshall 30/05/1942

UK address of all of them; 354 Mansfield Road, Nottingham.
Country of last permanent residence: Canada (all of them)
Country of future intended permanent residence: Canada (all of them)
Intended length of stay in UK: 5 months.

Listed just above them - don't know if connected or not:

Benjamin Marshall 09/05/1931.
Last & future permanent residence: Canada.
Staying in UK 6 months.
Occupation: salesman.
UK address: Washend Farm, Lowton, St Mary, Lancs.


EDIT:

No, this is a different Roy Marshal

His birth:

Births Dec 1934 (>99%)
Marshall Roy Gentle Newport M 11a 253ll.

Parents' marriage:

Benjamin Marshall
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Benjamin Marshall
Registration Date: Apr-May-Jun 1930
Registration district: Manchester North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Louie Gentle
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 1403

Thanks ArgyllGran for putting a different perspective on this. Had problems with power going off several times yesterday evening so wasn't able to reply or do follow up work for fear of power surges. Plan to get pdf copy of the birth cert for Iris Baker and see what that reveals, but inthe meantime I can have a look for possible Baker mothers on that branch of the family.

PM from Julie today:

I have now accessed pdf copy of the birth certificate for Iris Baker you tracked down. The mother was Ethel Ann Baker. On further investigation, this appears to be Ethel Ann Peatman daughter of Eliza Peatman nee Baker. She was born before Eliza married Henry Peatman so was reg'd as Baker at birth. Many thanks for opening the door that allowed me to resolve this. I had forgotten that I hadn't been able to trace a birth reg for Ethel Ann.


Thanks for letting us know, Julie. I'm glad the puzzle's solved!

For the benefit of anyone looking at this. I obtained a pdf of the birth cert for Iris Baker using the reference found by ArgyllGran, this showed the mother as Ethel Ann Baker. Eliza Peatman nee Baker, the grandmother of Iris, had a daughter Ethel Ann. Her birth turned out to have been registered under Baker, as Eliza didn't marry until after she was born. As I have found before, getting a different perspective on a problem from those who look at these threads, can lead to the issue being solved. In this case I also made a note to myself to make sure I look at what I know (and what I may be missing, in this case a birth reg for Ethel Ann as well as Iris) about the immediate family, when going back to a problem.

A little more research turned up a Bastardy case report in the local press, where Henry Peatman admitted that he was the father of Ethel Ann. He then at a later date decided to make an honest woman of Eliza and marry her.
Julie

I'm not sure from what you say, if you've found Ethel Ann's birth or not.

In case not, here it is:

BAKER, ETHEL ANN -
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in GRANTHAM Volume 07A Page 457


EDIT:
On re-reading, yes, I see you did find it.

So it's Iris baker born 1907 that you are now looking for ??
What was her actual birth date

I,m a bit lost here


Her mother was Ethel ann Baker ? Did Ethel later marry

???


Name: Ethel A Peatman
Registration Date: Apr-May-Jun 1934
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Spouse: Fred C Rossell
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 938



Ethel A Rossell
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1882
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 73
Residence Place: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Occupation: Household Duties
Schedule Number: 28
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: RMRJ
Registration district: 430-5 10
Inferred Spouse: Fred C Rossell
Household Members:
Name
Fred C Rossell dob 27.3.1877 occ painter and paperhanger
Ethel A Rossell


Ethel Ann Rossell
Death Age: 96
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1883
Registration Date: Sep 1979
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 8
Page: 0755
The informant is a year out in her birth

So what is it you're looking for now, Julie?


Just for our reference - Henry married Eliza in 1884. Here's the family in 1891:

Henry Peatman

in the 1891 England Census
Name: Henry Peatman
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1860
Spouse: Eliza Peatman
Child: Ethel Ann Peatman
Agnes Emily Peatman
Walter Henry Peatman
Maud Eliza Peatman
Birth Place: Ropsley, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Boothby Pagnell
Residence Place: Boothby Pagnell, Boothby Pagnell, Lincolnshire, England
Sub registration district: Grantham South
ED, Institution or Vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 2582
Folio: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Peatman 31
Eliza Peatman 27
Ethel Ann Peatman 8
Agnes Emily Peatman 6
Walter Henry Peatman 4
Maud Eliza Peatman 2

Iris Peatman/Marshall in 1939 does seem to be your Iris.

There's no birth of an Iris Peatman 1905-12.

I still don't see any Marshall marriage, though.
Perhaps they married abroad.

Hi all,
Like others I haven't found a Marshall/Peatman or Marshall/Baker marriage, nor an Iris Peatman/Baker/Marshall death that looks a fit. Iris has a married man Arthur Stockil living with her on the 1939 Reg. I've done bit of research on him and he is a possible father of Roy. He and his wife Constance Peck don't seem to have had any children. She is on the 1939 Reg living with her parents. He died in 1942, probate was granted to Constance, but that doesn't mean they were actually together at the time. His death may account for Iris apparently being involved with someone of the surname Marshall by 1948. I don't know if a name change related to ration cards/NHS would have needed evidence of a marriage, or a formal name change, but I suspect not. More questions than answers here, I doubt whether I'll find all the answers either.