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Linda

Linda Report 27 Dec 2018 19:58

Looking for help with tree
My grand Parents

Thomas elstob Oliver 1913 = RIA Walker 1912
Ralph chisolm Oliver 1885 = Mable Holmes hindson 1899 married June 1909
John Oliver 1858 = Mary married sep 1886

Can anyone help me go further back




safc

safc Report 27 Dec 2018 20:34

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Record Transcription:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Shakespeare Street, Westoe, South Shields, Durham, England
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Ralph C Oliver's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Oliver Head Married Male 33 1858 Coal Miner Cumberland, England
Mary Oliver Wife Married Female 26 1865 - Durham, England
Ralph C Oliver Son - Male 3 1888 - Durham, England
Margaret A Oliver Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Durham, England

safc

safc Report 27 Dec 2018 20:36

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales
15 Rainton St Penshaw, Penshaw, Durham, England
Ralph Oliver's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ralph Oliver Head Married Male 23 1888 Miner Coal Hewer Heworth Parish Durham
Mabel Oliver Wife Married Female 20 1891 - South Shields Durham
Mabel Oliver Daughter Single Female 1 1910 - Penshaw Durham
Gwendoline Oliver Daughter Single Female 0 1911 - Penshaw Durham

safc

safc Report 27 Dec 2018 20:45


First name(s) John
Last name Oliver
Sex Male
Marriage year 1886
Marriage date 19 Jul 1886
Place South Westoe
Description St. Michael & All Angels
Spouse first name(s) Mary
Spouse last name Chisholm
Groom's first name(s) John
Groom's last name Oliver
Groom's parish -
Bride's first name(s) Mary
Bride's last name Chisholm
Bride's parish -
County Durham
Country England
Record set Northumberland And Durham Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Dec 2018 22:10

THOMAS ELSTOB
Last name OLIVER
Gender Male
Birth day 8
Birth month 1
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1988
District Sunderland
Register number 1288
County Durham
Volume 2
Page 1675
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd

safc

safc Report 27 Dec 2018 22:18


Mabel Oliver on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Oliver Household (6 People) 26 Maple Terrace , Hetton U.D., Durham, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Mabel Oliver 07 Feb 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 173 2
Ralph Oliver 19 Nov 1887 Male Incapacitated Married 173 1
Harry Oliver 11 Oct 1879 Male Seeking Work Single 173 3
James Oliver 20 Sep 1904 Male Seeking Work Single 173 4
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Jean Scottan (Oliver) 28 Apr 1932 Female At School Single 173 6

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Dec 2018 22:24

Ria in 1939 - with her parents?

Household (10 People)
18 Waller Terrace , Hetton U.D., Durham, England

Ria Oliver (Barrass)
DOB 25 May 1912
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 27
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 10

Alexander Walker
DOB 07 Sep 1890
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Incapacitated
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 27
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Matilda Walker
DOB 04 Mar 1894
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 27
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

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Margaret Greaves
DOB 16 Aug 1853
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Incapacitated
MARITAL STATUS Widowed
SCHEDULE 27
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 8

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Ref: RG101/2786D/004/21 Letter Code: FFTF
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rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Dec 2018 22:36

Some of the closed records may be children from Ria's first marriage to Henry D. Barrass.

Marriages Mar 1935 (>99%)
Walker Ria Barrass Houghton 10a 768

Marriages Sep 1953 (>99%)
WALKER Ria OLIVER Durham N. 1a 1122

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Dec 2018 22:39

Margaret Greaves probably Ria's grandmother?

Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
GREAVES Matilda Houghton 10a 919
WALKER Alexander Houghton 10a 919

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Dec 2018 09:32

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1227489

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Dec 2018 09:35

The John Oliver who married in 1886 wasn't born in 1825 - he was born c1858

The poster asked for help in going back - not forward

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Dec 2018 09:44

A tree on Ancestry has Mary Chisholm's father as Ralph - mother Margaret Days

John Oliver's mother is named as Mary Oliver, c1825. His father's name is not included

The marriage cert would be worth getting..................

Checking is essential

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Dec 2018 09:51

Name: Mary Chisholm
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Ralph Chisholm
Mother: Mgt. Chisholm
Gender: Female
Where born: Haswell, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Haswell
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 18 6th Cross Row

Registration district: Easington
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4965
Folio: 117
Page Number: 74
Household Members:
Name Age
Ralph Chisholm 38
Mgt. Chisholm 40
Wm. Chisholm 20
Ralph Chisholm 18
Mary Chisholm 16
Jane Chisholm 11
Rbt. Chisholm 9
Septimus Chisholm 7
Mgt. A. Chisholm 5
Jno. Chisholm

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Dec 2018 09:52

Name: Ralph Chisholm
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 20
Birth Date: 1840
Marriage Date: 14 May 1860
Marriage Place: Shadforth, Durham, England
Father: John Chisholm
Spouse: Margaret Days
Age: 20
Father: William Days
FHL Film Number: 1894217
Reference ID: p229-457

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Dec 2018 09:53

Name: Margaret Days
Age: 3 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Ovingham
Hundred: Tindale (East Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Bywell
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 841
Book: 9
Folio: 6
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
William Days 35
Mary Days 25
Margaret Days 3 Mo
Michael Atiss 45

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Dec 2018 09:54

Name: Margaret Day
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Helton, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Haswell
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Easington
ED, institution, or vessel: 11c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 156
Piece: 2392
Folio: 441
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas McNay 65
Mace McNay 65
Mathew McNay 21
Ralph McNay 13
Margaret Day 10

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Dec 2018 10:32

Suggestion ONLY - probably too young

Name: John Oliver
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Alston, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Alston
Ecclesiastical parish: Alston
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Alston
Sub-registration district: Alston
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 5197
Folio: 48
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Oliver 64 B. Allendale, Northumberland
Thomas Oliver 13
John Oliver 11

Name: Thomas Oliver
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: 1858
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Alston, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Alston
Ecclesiastical parish: Alston
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Alston
Sub-registration district: Alston
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Piece: 3897
Folio: 54
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Oliver 54
William Oliver 8
Jacob Oliver 5
Thomas Oliver 3

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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Dec 2018 10:35

Interesting - No MMN

OLIVER, THOMAS -
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in ALSTON Volume 10B Page 303

OLIVER, JACOB -
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in ALSTON Volume 10B Page 329

malyon

malyon Report 28 Dec 2018 10:53

John Oliver
England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008

Name: John Oliver
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1885
Registration District: Cockermouth
County: Cumberland
Event Place: Cockermouth, Cumberland, England
Volume: 10B
Page: 570
Affiliate Line Number: 261

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Dec 2018 10:56

Which John is that? Is he in the poster's family?