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Member Since: January 2005 Posts: 2,830 Send Message	Carter	Report	27 Dec 2018 11:30
	hello I am looking for any help finding this couple in the 1881 census and going forward. I have found a james and phoebe oneil living in leigh Lancashire but that phoebe's maiden name was cope many thanks for any help here is their marriage Marriage: 26 Oct 1879 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England James O'Neil - (X), 27, Collier, Bachelor, Spring Gardens Phoebe Barlow - (X), 21, Spinster, Hallgate Groom's Father: Patrick O'Neil, Farmer Bride's Father: Elijah Barlow, (deceased), Poller Witness: Hone Haanay, (X); Mary Haanay, (X) Married by Superintendent Registrar's Certificate by: J. Bailey (curate) Register: Marriages 1873 - 1880, Page 242, Entry 484 Source: LDS Film 1885698
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 29,988 Send Message	+++DetEcTive+++	Report	27 Dec 2018 11:43
	May be a child or a different couple? O'NEIL, PATRICK mmn BARLOW GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 18
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Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 63,511 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	27 Dec 2018 11:48
	Have you found either of them in censuses prior to the marriage? Knowing their birthplaces would be useful How did you get back to them?
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	27 Dec 2018 13:23
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	IF the occupation of Elijah on the marriage record were Potter (not Poller), could this be too much of a coincidence - this Elijah would have been old enough to be Phoebe's Father and had a sister Phoebe to call his daughter after???? 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Bow Street, Stoke, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Richard Bealy Head Married Male 26 1825 Collier Shelton, Staffordshire, England Marey Bealy Wife Married Female 30 1821 Potter Bagnall, Staffordshire, England Elijah Barlow Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Potter Hanley, Staffordshire, England Phoebe Barlow Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1839 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England John Bealy Lodger Unmarried Male 23 1828 Butcher Shelton, Staffordshire, England John Tooth Lodger Married Male 23 1828 Labourer Shelton, Staffordshire, England Emma Tooth Lodger Married Female 21 1830 Laundress Hanley, Staffordshire, England Thomas Tooth Lodger Unmarried Male 2 1849 - Shelton, Staffordshire, England
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	27 Dec 2018 13:34
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	There is also this Elijah, also in the Pottery business 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Mill Street, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Briom Birkin Head Married Male 36 1815 Potter Ovenman Shelton, Staffordshire, England Eliza Birkin Wife Married Female 36 1815 - Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire, England Philip Birkin Son - Male 9 1842 Potter Jigger Turner Shelton, Staffordshire, England Emma Birkin Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Shelton, Staffordshire, England Harriet Birkin Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Shelton, Staffordshire, England Fanny Baddeley Lodger Widow Female 68 1783 - Betley, Staffordshire, England Elijah Barlow Lodger Unmarried Male 20 1831 Potters Labourer Bagnall, Staffordshire, England ------------------------------------- and this marriage - but which Elijah? Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1856 (>99%) Baglin John Stoke T. 6b 237 Barlow Elijah Stoke upon Trent 6b 237 McDurmett Bridgett Stoke T. 6b 237 Williams Mary Ann Stoke T. 6b 237 ------------------------------- looks like the one b c1834 with sister Phoebe - but no children with them 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census 63, Bow Street, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England Elijah Barlow's Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Elijah Barlow Head Married Male 27 1834 Potter Hanley, Staffordshire, England Bridget Barlow Wife Married Female 28 1833 - Ireland
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	27 Dec 2018 14:00
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Is this the family you have found where you think the mmn is Cope? ?? 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Dukinfield Street, Bedford, Leigh, Lancashire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Oneil Head Married Male 28 1863 Coal Miner Ireland Phoebe Oneil Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Staffordshire, England John W Oneil Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Durham, England Patrick Oneil Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Northumberland, England Polly Oneil Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Lancashire, England Bridget Cope Mother In Law Widow Female 56 1835 Marine Store Assistant Mayo, Ireland Thomas Sheridon Brother In Law Married Male 26 1865 Coal Miner Staffordshire, England Mary Sheridon Sister In Law Married Female 24 1867 - Staffordshire, England John W Sheridon Nephew - Male 0 1891 - Lancashire, England James age on original is 38 ----------------------------------------------- Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: O'NEIL, PATRICK BARLOW Order GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 18
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	27 Dec 2018 14:13
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Born a little after the marriage age shows and leads back to the Elijah Barlow / Bridgett marriage in Stoke - Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: BARLOW, PHOEBE MCDERMOTT Order GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 149 --------------------------------- Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1856 (>99%) Baglin John Stoke T. 6b 237 Scan available - click to view Barlow Elijah Stoke upon Trent 6b 237 Scan available - click to view McDurmett Bridgett Stoke T. 6b 237 Scan available - click to view Williams Mary Ann Stoke T. 6b 237 Scan available - click to view
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	27 Dec 2018 14:14
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1866 (>99%) Barlow Bridget Stoke T 6b 274 Cope John Stoke T 6b 274 Hodgkinson John B Stoke T 6b 274 Woolley Harriett Stoke T. 6b 274
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	27 Dec 2018 14:16
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Name: Age at Death (in years): Order: BARLOW, ELIJAH 32 Order GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 122 Order
Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,418 Send Message	Maddie	Report	27 Dec 2018 14:24
	1871 Dale Street, Hanley, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire & Worcestershire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Cope Head - Male 39 1832 - Staffordshire, England Bridget Cope Wife - Female 36 1835 - Ireland Phoebe Cope Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Staffordshire, England Mary Cope Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Staffordshire, England Bridget Cope Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Staffordshire, England COPE, BRIDGET MACDERMET Order GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 196 Order COPE, ELIZABETH MCDERMOTT Order GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 170 Order Cope Bridget 1871 1871 1871 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	27 Dec 2018 14:25
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	?? Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%) BRATT Mary Jane Leigh 8c 367 Cope Mary Leigh 8c 367 Cunliffe William Leigh 8c 367 Sheridan Thomas Leigh 8c 367 Got to go and walk off lunch!
Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,418 Send Message	Maddie	Report	27 Dec 2018 15:35
	A MAYBE James O Neil Event Type Census Event Date 1871 Event Place Wigan, Lancashire, England Enumeration District 11 Gender Male Age 20 Marital Status Single Occupation Collier Relationship to Head of Household Son Birth Year (Estimated) 1851 Birthplace Ireland Entry Number 3 Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/3885/0180 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Margaret O Neil Head F 60 Ireland Arthur O Neil Son M 33 Ireland James O Neil Son M 20 Ireland Alice O Neil Daughter F 22 Ireland Margaret O Neil Granddaughter F 15 Wigan, Lancashire Winifred O Neil Granddaughter F 10 Wigan, Lancashire Margaret Kane Niece F 33 Wigan, Lancashire Thomas Kane Son M 10 Wigan, Lancashire Mary Jane Kane Daughter F 8 Wigan, Lancashire Jame Azelton Lodger M 46 Bolton,
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	27 Dec 2018 16:26
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 33, Dukinfield Street, Leigh, Lancashire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Bridget Cope Head Widow Female 66 1835 - Ireland Phoebe O Neil Daughter Married Female 38 1863 - Hanley, Staffordshire, England John W O Neil Grand Son Single Male 20 1881 Coal Mine Drawer Underground Wingate, Durham, England Patrick O Neil Grand Son Single Male 18 1883 Coal Mine Drawer Underground Elswick, Northumberland, England Mary O Neil Grand Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Cotton Card Room Hand Leigh, Lancashire, England
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	27 Dec 2018 16:29
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Record Transcription: 1911 Census For England & Wales 33 Dunkinfield Street Leigh, Leigh, Lancashire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Patrick O Neill Head Single Male 28 1883 General Labourer Elisick Northumberland Phoebe O Neill Mother Widow Female 49 1862 - Hanley Staffordshire John Morris Boarder Single Male 32 1879 Colliery Labourer Underground Tuam County Galway Resident Maggie Jarvis Visitor - Female 7 1904 - Farnworth Lancashire
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	27 Dec 2018 16:42
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Wondering if this is James' death - would fit the age on the 1871 census (20) and marriage in 1879 (27) and the 1891 census actually says 38 looking at original ! Deaths Mar 1910 (>99%) O'NEIL James 58 Leigh 8c 166
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	27 Dec 2018 16:49
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Thank goodness John W had been born by the 1881 census !! 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Haswell Moor, Easington, Durham, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James O Neil Head Married Male 28 1853 Coal Miner Ireland Feabey O Neil Wife Married Female 19 1862 - Stafford, Staffordshire, England John W O Neil Son Single Male 0 1881 - Wingate, Durham, England Original does not say Phoebe was born Stafford itself, just Staffs
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	27 Dec 2018 17:00
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Did Phoebe remarry ? Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1931 (>99%) Fairclough Herbert O'Neill Leigh 8c 658 Lewis Alfred O'Neil Leigh 8c 658 O'Neil Phoebe Lewis Leigh 8c 658 O'Neill Margaret Fairclough Leigh 8c 658
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,287 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	27 Dec 2018 17:14
	I think the 1931 marriage is this couple: Phoebe Lewis in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Phoebe Lewis Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 8 Nov 1906 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 17 Hood Grove Residence Place: Leigh, Lancashire, England Occupation: Cross piecer Cotton Spinery Schedule Number: 200 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: NVRZ Registration district: 460-2 Inferred Spouse: Alfred Lewis Household Members: Name Alfred Lewis Phoebe Lewis
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,287 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	27 Dec 2018 17:18
	?? Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%) O'Neill Phoebe 50 Leigh 8c 353
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 63,511 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	27 Dec 2018 17:24
	Confirming the 1881 posted by greyghost O'NEILL, JOHN WILLIAM BARLOW GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in EASINGTON Volume 10A Page 449

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