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Having ended up with a Philip in Liverpool who is on my father's birth certicate, I have to accept he may have been a fiction. as there is no trace otherwise
Thanks for your help

Philip

Reading through the threads, I see that the mother registered the birth, so there is no PROOF anywhere of the name of Squire Scott's father. He may not even have had the surname Scott.

Ignore other trees unless they have documentary proof.

If you have not looked into your tree for that long then it is worth going back over old ground. New data sets are continually being made available.

Its now 3 years on. I have no further information except to say other Trees on line favor the Phillip b1883 in Tipperary
it's possible.He emigrated to USA in 1911

As I have said above Philip, I believe that the one who died in 1914 was very probably Sarah's brother. That is the occupation he had on the 1881 census posted above above.

Dea x

This was my very first Philip, that I rejected because his occupation was stone quarryman , nothing to do with the cotton industry, Perhaps I made a mistake I will look through it again

Thanks

What about doing an Ancestry DNA test?

Rose

No - That was a different one. - Can't quite remember where I found the details but I think he was about 51 when he died.

I will go back through all my notes................

Dea x.

EDIT:
Was it this death you were thinking of?

Deaths Sep 1914 (>99%)
Scott Phillip 51 Haslingden 8e 140

Burial: 21 Jul 1914 Cemetery, Haslingden, Lancashire, England
Philip Scott -
Age: 51 years
Abode: 7 Back Paradise Terrace
Occupation: Quarryman
Grave: A641
Parish or District: Haslingden
Order Book: 433
Registrar: Frank Law
Denomination: C
Buried by: H J Hunt
Register: Burials 1902 - 1969, Page 47, Entry 937
Source: Original Register



1889 - June Q. Marriages:
SCOTT Philip JOHNSON Margaret Alice Hyndburn Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/73/182



1911 Census For England & Wales
7 Bk Paradise Terrace Haslingden, Haslingden, Lancashire, England

Philip Scott's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Philip Scott Head Married Male 48 1863 Quarryman Stone Lancs Haslingden
Margaret Scott Wife Married Female 49 1862 Weaver Cotton Lanc Rstall


Could he have been Sarah Ann's brother perhaps?

Dea x

Who was a stone quarryman at death, please? Where and when?

I have looked at this some years ago and as far as I remember,checking out his death certificate it stated Stone Quarryman

This was I remember the first Phillip I ever looked at and the family seemed very promising at the time

I may have overlooked something though

Thanks for your help
Merry Christmas

This is just a wild guess - at least the age would fit!

Deaths Jun 1910 (>99%)
Scott Sarah Ann 49 Stockport 8a 48

Sarah Ann Scott
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Sarah Ann Scott
Gender: Female
Age: 30
Relationship: Pauper
Birth Year: 1861
Birth Place: Philadelphie, USA
Civil Parish: Lower Booths
Residence Place: Cowpe Waterfoot, Lower Booths, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: Rossendale
ED, Institution or Vessel: Haslingden Union Workhouse
Neighbors:
Piece: 3351
Folio: 120


Married; winder in cotton mill

The Scotts are all grandchildren of the Normans.

Sarah Ann is a cotton spinner;

Sarah Ann Scott
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Sarah Ann Scott
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relationship to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Philadelphia, America <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Haslingden
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 8 Rock Hall
Occupation: Cotton Spinner
Registration district: Haslingden
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors:
Piece: 4138
Folio: 97
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Martin Norman 65
Mary Norman 55
John Norman 28
Martin Norman 24
James Norman 22
Sarah Ann Scott 20
Philip Scott 18
Mary Scott 16
Micheal Scott 14
James Scott 11



Sarah Ann Scott
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Sarah Ann Scott
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Phillip Scott
Mother's name: Winnifred Scott
Gender: Female
Where born: United States
Civil Parish: Haslingden
Ecclesiastical parish: Haslingden
Town: Haslingden
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Haslingden
Sub-registration district: Haslingden
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 4141
Folio: 43
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Phillip Scott 40
Winnifred Scott 34
Sarah Ann Scott 9
Phillip Scott 7
Mary Scott 5
Michael Scott 4
James Scott 2
Margaret Roe 60

Note:

father and brother named Philip

Could this be Sarah Ann before she married Edward??

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
8, Rock Hall, Haslingden, Lancashire, England

Sarah Ann Scott's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Martin Norman Head Married Male 65 1816 Pedlar Of Salt Ireland
Mary Norman Wife Married Female 55 1826 Housekeeper Ireland
John Norman Son Single Male 28 1853 Quarryman Haslingden, Lancashire, England
Martin Norman Son Single Male 24 1857 Quarryman Haslingden, Lancashire, England
James Norman Son Single Male 22 1859 Quarryman Haslingden, Lancashire, England
****Sarah Ann Scott Grand Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Cotton Spinner United States
****Philip Scott Grand Son Single Male 18 1863 Quarryman Haslingden, Lancashire, England
Mary Scott Grand Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Cotton Spinner Haslingden, Lancashire, England
Michael Scott Grand Son Single Male 14 1867 Doffer Haslingden, Lancashire, England
James Scott Grand Son Single Male 11 1870 Doffer Haslingden, Lancashire, England

Note that she has a brother called 'Philip'............

Dea x

Yes - that's all I have been able to find but I don't see Sarah Ann or Edward on 1891 and on 1901 'that' Edward says he is single.???

I can't see a death for Sarah Ann either?

Dea x

Interesting that Musin (1881 census) is born County Mayo and a 'widower' with a son James who fits - roughly - with the one living (1891) with his mother (born Co Mayo)

That Edward in 1901 is single

Ann is Hugh's wife

EDIT:

NO!
this Edward below is single. Ann is the wife of his brother Hugh.


Edward and Sarah Ann in 1901:

Edward Scott
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Edward Scott
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Brother
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Haslingden, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Burnley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: cotton spinner
Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: East Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors:
Piece: 3862
Folio: 115
Page Number: 18
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members:
Name Age
Hugh Scott 38
Ann Scott 40
Emma Jane Scott 6
Rachael Scott 4
Edward Scott 40

From LancsBMD

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1881
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SCOTT Edward SCOTT Sarah Ann Hyndburn Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/57/19