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Well his marriage cert to Elizabeth will give his age and his fathers name if known

You know from the 1901 census he was 36 so born c1865

Thanks everyone for helping with William & Elizabeth's family, I definately had the wrong parents for Gladys Victoria Smith.
I have been trying to find parents for William Smith born abt 1865 died 1903.
I have looked on the 1881 census for a William Smith Cattle Drover from 1863-1867 birth with no luck perhaps he was not a Cattle Drover in 1881? a difficult name to research so many
Many thanks again Ellen

Looks good both of you !!

I think that Leslie may have died and Gertrude remarried ??

Deaths Sep 1936 (>99%)
Elliott Leslie 32 Derby 7b 492



Marriages Mar 1938 (>99%)
COOPER Ada P Fletcher Derby 7b 965 Scan available - click to view
***Elliott Gertrude E Logan Derby 7b 965 Scan available - click to view
Fletcher Stanley J Cooper Derby 7b 965 Scan available - click to view
***Logan Wallace Elliott Derby 7b 965 Scan available - click to view


1939:
Logan Household (4 People) 40 Thorn Street , Derby C.B., Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Wallace Logan 25 May 1915 Skilled Wireman Telecommunications Installer
Gertrude E Logan 19 Jan 1913 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Dea x

EDIT - Sorry Choccy!!! <3 - That will teach me not to post before I have refreshed the page!
Anyway, looks like we are agreed here.............

Dea x

?? death of Gertrude's husband


England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007


Name: Leslie Elliott

Death Age: 32

Birth Date: abt 1904

Registration Date: Sep 1936

Registration district: Derby

Inferred County: Derbyshire

Volume: 7b

Page: 492



Marriages Mar 1938


Elliott Gertrude E Logan Derby 7b 965

Logan Wallace Elliott Derby 7b 965



1939 Register


Logan Household (4 People)

40 Thorn Street , Derby C.B., Derbyshire, England


Wallace Logan 25 May 1915 Male Skilled Wireman Telecommunications Installer Married 324 1
Gertrude E Logan 19 Jan 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 324 2

Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.


(a daughter born 1938 - LOGAN mother's maiden name is BURNS)




England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007?

Name: Gertrude E Logan

Death Age: 56

Birth Date: abt 1913

Registration Date: Mar 1969

Registration district: Derby

Inferred County: Derbyshire

Volume: 3a

Page: 383

Not seeing Gertrude on the 1939 register but this looks like her husbands birth

Births Dec 1902
Elliott Leslie Trevelyan Derby 7b 575

Deaths Jun 1928
Burns Patrick 52 Derby 7b 636

Looks like Gertrude's marriage

Marriages Jun 1933
Burns Gertrude E Elliott Derby 7b 1405
Elliott Leslie T Burns Derby 7b 1405

Derbyshire marriages
Leslie Trevelyan
Last name Elliott
Name note -
Age 30
Marriage year 1933
Marriage date 15 Apr 1933
Marriage place Derby
Father's first name(s) Tan
Father's last name Elliott
Spouse's first name(s) Gertrude Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Burns
Spouse's birth year 1913
Spouse's birth date 1913
Spouse's father's first name(s) Patrick
Spouse's father's last name Burns
Residence Derby, Derbyshire, England
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Sadly baby Doris died

Deaths Mar 1918
Burns Doris I 0 Derby 7b 677

So it would seem the surname has been misheard / spelt on different records

At least you know the dads name and mums Christian name and the marriage for them

Argyl too posted the 1911 census where mum is living with Patrick burns as his wife

Their daughters birth Though is odd with mmn as houghton

BUT !! They had more children


Births Mar 1913
Burns Gertrude E Ufton Derby 7b 1128

Births Mar 1918
Burns Doris I Ufton Derby 7b 907

Received the birth certificate today Gladys Victoria Smith had parents William Smith & Elizabeth Upton

Seems like Gladys birth record may have mmn mistyped

Her birth record will help when it's been received

Elizabeth Ufton baptised Spondon 28/5/1876 by James Ufton and Elizabeth

Elizabeth Ufton mum maiden name Malbourn born 1876 Shardlow. V07b P479

James Oufton age 20 married 1870 to Elizabeth Malbon.

It says father of James is Elijah Stevens.

Witness's were Samuel Stevens and Emma Malbon.

James 1850 Spondon and Elizabeth (Malbourn) born about 1850 Cubley Derbyshire also had daughter Edith a 1892 and son James 1880 who had a daughter Gladys in 1900,so there is a few connections of names in this family.

Maryb

Elizabeth with first husband in 1901:

Elizabeth Smith
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: William Smith
Birth Place: Spondon, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors:
Piece: 3215
Folio: 131
Page Number: 8
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 36 - cattle drover
Elizabeth Smith 26
George W Smith 5
Edith A Smith 4/12


and her marriage:

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Smith William Derby 7b 1186
UFTON Elizabeth Derby 7b 1186


Son's birth:

SMITH, GEORGE WILLIAM UFTON mms UFTON
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 550


You still need Gladys's birth or marriage cert to confirm parents names .

Looks a good possible AG.

Marriage:
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Derby
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b Page: 1186
Name
Augustus Neal Sansum
William Smith<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Elizabeth Squires
Elizabeth Ufton <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Looks like FMP has the marriage but I don't have access.

Malyon, it's not the 1903 baptism- birth date is transcribed on that record as 16 Sept 1899.

I wonder if her mms has been mistranscribed???

There's this family:

Gladys Smith
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Gladys Smith
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Derby
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: 33 Oak St Derby
Occupation: School
Registration district: Derby
Registration District Number: 435
Sub-registration district: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 20894
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Burns 35 - Nottinghamshire
Elizabeth Burns 35 - Spondon, Derbyshire
Eedith Smith 10
Gladys Smith 7
Ethel Smith 5
Patricia Burns 7/12

Married 5 years.
All the children born in Derby.


SMITH, ETHEL MAY mms UFTON
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 600

SMITH, EDITH ANNIE mms UFTON
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 546

BURNS, PATRICIA mms HOUGHTON
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 668


I don't see Patrick and Elizabeth's marriage.
Nor a marriage of Elizabeth to a Smith, for that matter.{EDIT: see my next post ]

Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
SMITH, GLADYS VICTORIA UPTON Order
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 666

Gladys Smith
England, Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers, 1537-1918

Name: Gladys Smith
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 04 Nov 1903
Event Place: Derby, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom
Father's Name: Frederic Smith
Mother's Name: Sarah Smith

I have just ordered a PDF of Gladys Victoria Smith birth certificate to be emailed to me on the 12th dec this will give me her right parents, will let you know

no it doesnt mean that

you have picked up the wrong marriage
neither one on that list of marriages are the parents of Gladys

you can do a pdf copy of the birth on the gro costs £6 instead of £9.25 for the paper copy

The pdf one can be downloaded and printed off

If Gladys Victoria is not with Frederick William & Gertrude Annie Richardson in 1911 it means her parents were Charles William Smith & Emily Upton?

I could get the marriage certificate but I am having trouble in receiving one I ordered 7th September they sent me another but by 23rd November it still had not arrived, they are saying they are despatching it again( yesterday the 5th) waiting to see if it does get here !!!!