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Ernest's father

WILLIAMS, JOSEPH ERNEST
Service Number 740601

Died 14/07/1918

Aged 34

"C" Bty., 266th Bde.
Royal Field Artillery

Son of Edward Inkerman Williams and Isabella Williams, of Newport, husband of Margaret Ellen Williams, of 194, Chepstow Rd., Newport, Mon.

Well, there's a possible death immediately above your last post - to find out if it's the right person, you'll need a copy of the death cert

Have you considered that they may have moved away from the UK?

Her parents went back to NZ

ErikaH I found two sons Roger G b 1947 and Terence J b.1950 both in Newport Wales
according to a relative in New Zealand they were under the impression Ernest and Eileen had no family but the records I uncovered show the mother as Newberry still have no confimation on Eileen Mary and Ernest Kenneth Trivetts Williams deaths ?

??? Do you know Eileen Mary's DOB ??


Eileen Mary Williams
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Eileen Mary Williams
Death Age: 86
Birth Date: 3 Oct 1920
Registration Date: Nov 2006
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire, Shropshire, Staffordshire
Volume: -1
Page: -1
Register Number: C113C
District and Subdistrict: 836/1C

Eileen's brother and his wife

First name(s) John Barry
Last name Newberry
Year 2002
Street XXXXXXXXX
Town XXXXXXXXX
County Cumbria
Country England
Postcode CA13 0TA
Age guide 65+
Address XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXCumbria, CA13 0TA
District Cockermouth
Occupancy (years) 2
Other occupants Aileen Nora Newberry

Two possible sons born Newport Monmouthshire after 1947 to Eileen m and Ernest

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Name: Mrs Ellen M Newberry
Gender: Female
Age: 57
Birth Date: abt 1896
Departure Date: 20 Mar 1953
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Auckland, New Zealand
Ship Name: Rangitata
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Shipping line: The New Zeland Shipping Company, Limited
Official Number: 149564
Master: B A Burton

On her own, home address 11 Rutland Road ,Bournemouth ,Hants



Name: Ellen May Newberry
Death Date: 1961
Registration Place: Auckland, New Zealand
Folio Number: 1 1514

Maybe someone has submitted the record

Mathew Barry Newberry
1895–1967

BIRTH 15/071895 • Bury Lancashire England
DEATH 00/00/1967 • Melbourne Victoria Australia
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Matthew Newberry
Gender: Male
Age: 56
Birth Date: abt 1895
Departure Date: 5 Sep 1951
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name: Himalaya
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Shipping line: P and O
Master: E R Bodley D S C
Home address 120 camberwell road se5
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As Ellen and Ernest are open records then their deaths must have been picked and would be uk as foreign deaths aren't picked up

Know this from my brother who died in Spain in 2001. He is still a closed record
Our elder sister died in 2002 in the uk and she is an open record

First name(s) Ernest Kenneth
Last name Williams
Event year 1921
Birth year 1907
Birth place Newport
Birth county/country Monmouthshire
Birth date 16 Jun 1907
Discharge number R 131360
Card type CR1
Archive The National Archives
Series BT349
Date range 1921-1941
Record set Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1918-1941

Two sons from the marriage. You could try looking for them

Are you certain that they remained in the UK?

Thank you for your info a great help all seems to be correct. I have tried looking on Ancestry for Eileen Mary and Ernest for their death records but have not been able to find any are there other ways to find this out ?

But as I said originally, and as safc said later ................. you need to buy the marriage certificate to be sure.

Well, I have absolutely no idea why the only way I could find the 1911 Census on Ancestry was to use surname Will* with birth year 1883 (exact), living in Newport. There are some mis-transcriptions, but Joseph Ernest Williams is correct!

1911 Census

Name: Joseph Ernest Williams
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bassaleg, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Newport
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County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 65 Stow Hill Newport Mon
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Drummer
Registration district: Newport
Registration District Number: 587
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 24
Piece: 31971

Joseph Ernest Williams 28
Margerat Ellen Williams 28
Ernest Henneth Trevett Williams 3
Mabel Winefred Williams 11/12

Here's the marriage of Ernest's parents ............

Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)

House Margaret Ellen Newport M 11a 516
Williams Joseph Ernest Newport M 11a 516

Interesting ..... I just found that census on FMP, but I can't find it on ancestry!!

????

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

65 Stow Hill Newport, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales

Ernest Kenneth Trivett Williams's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Ernest Williams Head Married Male 28 1883 Coal Trimmer Bassaleg Monmouthshire
Margaret Ellen Williams Wife Married Female 28 1883 - Weston Super Mare Comerset
Ernest Kenneth Trivett Williams Son - Male 3 1908 - -
Mabel Winifred Williams Daughter - Female 0 1911 -

????
you need the 1947 marriage to be sure

a sibling???

WILLIAMS, MABEL WINIFRED mmn HOUSE
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in NEWPORT MON Volume 11A Page 279

From GRO Index, we can see his full name and mother's maiden name .......

WILLIAMS, ERNEST KENNETH TRIVITT mmn HOUSE
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in NEWPORT MON Volume 11A Page 230 Occasional Copy: A


Occasional Cop A indicates that a correction was made to the original registration, but it is not a re-registration of the birth.

You might have to buy the certificate to discover what the change was.