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9 Nov 2018 00:27 |
Just received the certificate & it is the wrong Frank Crofts,thank you everyone for your help always good service here
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Ellen
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3 Nov 2018 23:15 |
They did not divorce he just left so it looks like the West Bromwich Frank Crofts is not mine after all thanks for all your input
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ArgyllGran
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3 Nov 2018 12:09 |
Aha! Your Frank is Francis and Annie's son:
Frank Crofts in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: Frank Crofts Gender: Male Marriage Age: 23 Birth Date: 1885 Marriage Date: 22 Feb 1908 Marriage Place: Swanwick, Derbyshire, England Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: Francis Crofts <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse: Evelyn Jowitt
EDIT: sorry, Dea, I see you've already got there!
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 12:08 |
Baptism - confirms JFM birth
Parents Frank (Pattern maker) and Annie Elizabeth
Name: Frank Crofts Gender: Male Baptism Date: 10 Apr 1885 Baptism Place: Staveley, Derbyshire, England
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ArgyllGran
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3 Nov 2018 12:06 |
??? This one :
Frank Crofts in the 1891 England Census Name: Frank Crofts Gender: Male Age: 6 Relationship: Son Birth Year: 1885 Father: Frances Crofts Mother: Anne E Crofts Birth Place: Staveley, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Staveley Residence Place: Staveley, Staveley, Derbyshire, England Sub registration district: Eckington ED, Institution or Vessel: 7 Neighbors: Piece: 2768 Folio: 113 Household Members: Name Age Frances Crofts 33 Anne E Crofts 34 William A Crofts 9 Frank Crofts 6 Ethel M Crofts 3 Edwin H Crofts 1
Or this one ?
Frank Crofts in the 1891 England Census Name: Frank Crofts Gender: Male Age: 5 Relationship: Grandson Birth Year: 1886 Birth Place: Staveley, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Staveley Residence Place: Handley, Staveley, Derbyshire, England Sub registration district: Eckington ED, Institution or Vessel: 1 Neighbors: Piece: 2768 Folio: 8 Household Members: Name Age John Crofts 51 Mary Crofts 49 Ernest Crofts 31 <<< son Alice Crofts 28 <<< - daughter-in-law Paul Crofts 28 Ada Crofts 25 Albert Crofts 20 Emma Crofts 16 Sarah E Crofts 14 Amy Crofts 12 Willis Crofts 10 Frank Crofts 5 - grandson Gertrude Crofts 2 - grand-daughter Maud Crofts 1 - grand-daughter
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 12:06 |
Did he and his wife divorce?
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 12:02 |
Odds are that this is the one who died in West Bromwich
1911 Mary Ann Crofts Head Widow Female 66 1845 Scrap Iron Dealer Staffs West Bromwich Frank Crofts Son Single Male 26 1885 Son Assisting In Business Staffs West Bromwich Helen Crofts Daughter Single Female 28 1883 School Teacher Staffs West Bromwich Florence Crofts Daughter Single Female 23 1888 House Work Staffs West Bromwich
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William Crofts Head Married Male 50 1851 Serap Iron Merchant West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Mary A Crofts Wife Married Female 52 1849 - West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England James Crofts Son Single Male 20 1881 Carter West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Ellen Crofts Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Pupil Teacher West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Frank Crofts Son Single Male 12 1889 Spring Maker West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Florence Crofts Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
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Dea
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3 Nov 2018 12:02 |
That's the one ErikaH
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 12:01 |
If this is him in 1891, the school record isn't his.
His must be the JFM birth
Frances Crofts Head Married Male 33 1858 Ironworks Pattern Maker Derbyshire, England Anne E Crofts Wife Married Female 34 1857 - Derbyshire, England William A Crofts Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Derbyshire, England Frank Crofts Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Derbyshire, England Ethel M Crofts Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Derbyshire, England Edwin H Crofts Son - Male 1 1890 - Derbyshire, England
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Dea
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3 Nov 2018 12:00 |
His father was Francis from the marriage cert so his birth is the mmn Armstrong one. (Annie E Armstrong)
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2018 11:59 |
First name(s) Frank Last name Crofts Birth year 1885 Birth date 04 Aug 1885 Event year 1890 School name Handley Church Of England School Town Handley County Derbyshire Country England Parent name(s) Ernest Book type Admissions Archive reference D79_2 Folio / page no. - Archive Derbyshire Record Office
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ArgyllGran
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3 Nov 2018 11:59 |
Which couple were your Frank's parents?
Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%) CROFTS Ernest Chesterfield 7b 1247 Heeley Alice Chesterfield 7b 1247
Marriages Jun 1879 (>99%) ARMSTRONG Annie Elizabeth Chesterfield 7b 927 Crofts Francis Chesterfield 7b 927
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ArgyllGran
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3 Nov 2018 11:55 |
Do you know Frank's exact date of birth?
There were two Frank Crofts born in Chesterfield reg district (which includes Staveley) in 1885:
CROFTS, FRANK mms ARMSTRONG GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 786
CROFTS, FRANK mms HEELEY GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 729
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ArgyllGran
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3 Nov 2018 11:45 |
Must be the wrong Frank, as Selina's family were in West Bromwich in 1881 (above)
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ArgyllGran
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3 Nov 2018 11:42 |
In 1891 and 1901 Selina's a live-in servant in West Bromwich (transcribed Crafts on Ancestry for 1901) so no help with family connections.
I haven't found her in 1911.
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Dea
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3 Nov 2018 11:40 |
Selina was Frank's sister!!
CROFTS, SELINA WOOTTON Order GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 700
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: CROFTS, FRANK WOOTTON Order GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 830
It looks like the wrong Frank ??
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ArgyllGran
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3 Nov 2018 11:34 |
the 1939 Register entry I posted shows that a Selina Crofts was living with Esther and James, and was still there until 1942.
Esther was possibly her landlady??
Selina had lived in Seagar Street (where Frank was living when he died, although a different house) as a child.
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Ellen
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3 Nov 2018 11:30 |
I Have sent for the Death Certificate hope its the right Frank Crofts.
I just found the Probate I do not know who Esther Poulton is possibly someone at his work or someone who helps him (help wise? ) hope the certificate helps.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Nov 2018 11:26 |
Is Selina relevant to your Frank's family ?
Selina Crofts in the 1881 England Census Name: Selina Crofts Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: William Crofts Mother: Mary Ann Crofts Gender: Female Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: West Bromwich County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 11 Seagar St <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Registration district: West Bromwich Sub registration district: West Bromwich North East ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: Piece: 2851 Folio: 95 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age William Crofts 38 Mary Ann Crofts 35 Jane Crofts 16 William Crofts 15 Mary Ann Crofts 13 Selina Crofts 11 Martha Crofts 9 Alfred Crofts 8 James Crofts 6 John Crofts 1 Arthur Crofts
Selina Crofts in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995 Name: Selina Crofts Death Date: 2 Aug 1942 Death Place: Staffordshire, Stafford, England Probate Date: 28 Sep 1942 Registry: Birmingham, England
Crofts, Selina, of 29 Lyndhurst Road, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, died 2 August 1942. Probate Birmingham 28 September to Esther Poulton (wife of James Poulton). Effects £312 14s 6d
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ArgyllGran
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3 Nov 2018 11:25 |
James Poulton in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: James Poulton Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 6 Dec 1867 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 29 Lyndhurst Road Residence Place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Occupation: Blacksmith (retired) Schedule Number: 442 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: OPAZ Registration district: West Bromwich Inferred Spouse: Esther Poulton Household Members: Name James Poulton Esther Poulton Selina Crofts - 24/07/1869 , single <<<<<<<<<<<<< Josephine Broom, single
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