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sorry only say that as my lot are from pudsey and i have not found a link to patchett / linlaker. john born 1836 has parents as abraham / maria or john / sara so i don't think he can be mine

thank you all for your time
maddie

Fair enough - if you're 100% certain

thank you all for your input but i think the above has no connection to my branch, no martha linklater in my tree

maddie

Name: John Patchett
Marriage Age: 21
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1835
Marriage Date: 24 May 1856
Marriage Place: Manningham, St Paul, Yorkshire, England
Father: James Patchett
Spouse: Sarah Ann Riley


1851

Name: John Patchett
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Patchett
Mother's name: Sarah Patchett
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Manningham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Horton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 196
Piece: 2310
Folio: 302
Page Number: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
James Patchett 41
Sarah Patchett 41
John Patchett 15
Sarah Patchett 14
Elizabeth Patchett 12
Mary Patchett 10
Hannah Patchett 7
Nancy Patchett 6 Mo

1881

John Patchett Head Married Male 45 1836 Stuff Warehouseman (Dlr) Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Sarah A Patchett Wife Married Female 46 1835 - Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England
John Patchett Son Single Male 22 1859 Shoeing Smith Manningham, Yorkshire, England
Mary Patchett Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Silk Winder Manningham, Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Patchett Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Silk Winder Worsted Spinner Manningham, Yorkshire, England
Alfred Patchett Son Single Male 15 1866 Worsted Spinner Manningham, Yorkshire, England
Thomas Patchett Son Single Male 13 1868 Worsted Spinner Manningham, Yorkshire, England
Joe Patchett Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Manningham, Yorkshire, England
Walter Patchett Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Manningham, Yorkshire, England

Name: Walter Padgett
Marriage Age: 19
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1876
Marriage Date: 19 Oct 1895
Marriage Place: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral), Yorkshire, England
Father: John Padgett
Spouse: Marther Linklater


Address for both Westbourne Road, Manningham - not the same house number

Groom's father's occupation 'Stuff Warehouseman'

A tree on Ancestry has this about Martha Linklater - Note, no mention of the son John, so perhaps the 'owner' has worked only from censuses and not cross-referred with other sources.

Birth
April 1876 • Sculcoates, Hull, Yorkshire, England
5 Sources
1876

(AGE)

Birth of Sister Mary Elisabeth Corker Linklater(1878–1949)
19 Apr 1878 • Sculcoates, Hull, Yorkshire, England
1878

2

Birth of Brother Thomas William Linklater(1880–)
1880 • Bradford, Yorkshire, England
1880

3

Residence
1881 • Manningham, Yorkshire, England
Relation to Head of House: Daughter

1 Source
1881

5

Birth of Brother Robert Henry LINKLATER(1882–1966)
10 May 1882 • Manningham, Bradford, Yorkshire West Riding, England
1882

6

Death of Mother Annie Elizabeth Hickin(1849–1887)
April 1887 • Huddersfield, Yorkshire West Riding
1887

11

Death of Father Francis Linklater(1844–1887)
July 1887 • Sculcoates, Yorkshire East Riding
1887

11

Marriage
19 Oct 1895 • Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral), Yorkshire, England
Walter Padgett
(1876–1920)

2 Sources
1895

19

Birth of Son Thomas Henry Padgett(1896–1971)
1 Apr 1896 • Bradford, Yorkshire, England
1896

20

Residence
1901 • Tong, Yorkshire, England
Relation to Head of House: Wife

1 Source
1901

25

Birth of Son George Charles Padgett(1902–)
abt 1902 • Bradford, Yorkshire, England
1902

25

Birth of Daughter Maud Padgett(1905–)
abt 1905 • Bradford, Yorkshire, England
1905

28

Birth of Son Cyril Padgett(1908–)
abt 1908 • Bradford, Yorkshire, England
1908

31

Birth of Son Edward Padgett(1910–1964)
9 May 1910 • Bradford, Yorkshire, England
1910

34

Residence
02 Apr 1911 • Bradford, Yorkshire-West Riding, England
Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Wife

1 Source
1911

35

Death of Husband Walter Padgett(1876–1920)
Mar 1920 • Bradford, Yorkshire West Riding, England
1920

43

Death of Sister Mary Elisabeth Corker Linklater(1878–1949)
Jun 1949 • Bradford, Yorkshire West Riding, England
1949

73

Death of Sister Rachel Ann Linklater(1870–1949)
Jun 1949 • Wortley, Yorkshire West Riding, England
1949

73

Death of Son Edward Padgett(1910–1964)
16 Jun 1964 • Bradford, Yorkshire West Riding, England
1964

88

Death of Brother Robert Henry LINKLATER(1882–1966)
5 Feb 1966 • Bradford, Yorkshire West Riding, England
1966

89

Death of Son Thomas Henry Padgett(1896–1971)
Mar 1971 • Bradford, Yorkshire West Riding, England

I have looked at the 1911 image - Martha has had 8 children, of whom three have died

The owner of a tree on Ancestry thinks your Walter and Martha had a son John William.

However, they have picked the wrong child - presumably before GRO allowed us to see mms:


PATCHETT, JOHN WILLIAM mms RUTHERFORD
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in BRAMLEY Volume 09B Page 331

And death:

PATCHETT, JOHN WILLIAM 0
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in BRAMLEY Volume 09B Page 244

They give a christening record as proof.
However, it's the christening of the Patchett/Rutherford child, and gives the parents names correctly as John & Maria, which doesn't prevent the tree owner thinking he's Walter & Martha's son.


The fact that they think W & M had a son of that name is interesting - I wonder if they're going by the gravestone.

For our reference:

Martha Dickinson
in the West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
Name: Martha Dickinson
[Martha Patchett]
Marriage Age: 20
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1875
Marriage Date: 2 Jun 1895
Marriage Place: Calverley, St Wilfrid, Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Calverley, St Wilfrid
Father: John Dickinson
Spouse: Walter Padgett

I don't see any Patchett or Padgett/Dickinson births 1895 - 1930

Have you found your Walter and Martha in 1911 please? Wondering how many children they had.

There is this John William who seems to have died around the correct age (6 months), in the correct area:

Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)
Linklater Martha Bradford, Y. 9b 41 Scan available - click to view
Padgett Walter Bradford, Y. 9b 41 Scan available - click to view



Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
PADGETT, JOHN WILLIAM LINKLATER Order
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in BRADFORD Volume 09B Page 4



Deaths Jun 1898 (>99%)
PADGETT John William 0 Bradford 9b 15


I know that is not Walter (son of John William), but perhaps he was a close relative? - Do you know of another Walter in this family?

Dea x

willie never married annie johnson and walter married martha dickson in 1895

Willie and Gertrude weren't married - she is his partner only.
Nor is she the mother of the children.

Willie's on his own with a family of boarders in 1911 - but says married:

Willie Patchett
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Willie Patchett
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Pudsey, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: West ArdsleyCounty/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: West Ardsley Nr Wakefield
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Market Gardener Laor
Registration district: Wakefield
Registration District Number: 504
Sub-registration district: Ardsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 27408
Household Members:
Name Age
Willie Patchett 32
Annie Johnson 31
Dorothy Johnson 8
John Willie Johnson 4
Sarah Hannah Johnson 3



Three of the children in Willie's army record are the Johnsons from 1911.

Births of the children in 1911:

JOHNSON, DOROTHY ADELAIDE -
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in NORTH BIERLEY Volume 09B Page 222

Johnson Mary E Johnson N.Bierley 9b 141

PADGETT, JOHN WILLIE mms JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in WHARFEDALE Volume 09A Page 146


PADGETT, SARAH HANNAH mms JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in DEWSBURY Volume 09B Page 569


EDIT:
sorry, you know all this already, Maddie, and it doesn't help to find the deceased children.

Walter married Martha Dickinson
Can't see any children..............

Willie

Name: Wellie Patchett
[Willie Patchett]
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1880
Age: 34
Document Year: 1914
Residence Place: 4 Rayner Terrace Low Town, Pudsey Near Leeds
Regimental Number: 17271
Regiment Name: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire) Regiment
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 9
Other Records: Search for 'Wellie Patchett' in other WWI collections
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Wellie Patchett Self (Head)
Gertrude Hodson Spouse
Dorothy Frances Patchett Patchett Child
John Willie Patchett Patchett Child
Sarah Anne Patchett Patchett Child
Mary Elizabeth Patchett Patchett Child

Who did the son 'Willie' marry?

Or Walter?

sorrry i dont it was a photo posted by someone else on ancestry, they lived in Pudsey all their lives

You obviously know where the grave is - could the Church or Cemetery records give you a date for burial to give an idea of the birth/death time frames??

i know can't make sense of it
are either child the missing one and i cant see either a jw or james in my tree who might fit

Elizabeth is one of the 2 that died and if jw belongs to someone else by elimination it must be james
thank you for looking

The second keepsake url works

The child named John William is shown as son of W & M Patchett.

His name has not been added to the gravestone like Elizabeth and James, but to a base stone. Is he not part of immediate family.

Adult John William is referred to on the gravestone as John William not William so is it a different person?

Presume this is the marriage with Mary's surname spelt differently. Have you checked births with this variation?

Seems Patchett became Padgett on occasion?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)
BEETHAM Jane Bradford, Y. 9b 215
Fieldhouse Pollard Bradford Y 9b 215
PATCHETT John William Bradford, Y. 9b 215 <<<<<<
Scholefield Mary Bradford, Y. 9b 215 <<<<<<<<



PATCHETT, WALTER SCHOFIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 277 Order

PATCHETT, ELIZABETH SCHOFIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 282 Order

PATCHETT, JOHN SCHOFIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 292

Willie entered 3 times !!
PADGET, WILLIE SCHOFIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 260 Occasional Copy: A Order
PADGET, WILLIE SCHOFIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 260 Occasional Copy: A Order
PADGET, WILLIE SCHOFIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 260 Occasional Copy: A

PADGET, HARRY SCHOFIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 246

PATCHETT, NEWTON SCHOFIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 256

PATCHETT, ERNEST SCHOFIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 244

PATCHETT, SARAH HANNAH SCHOFIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 244


8 births so far - one missing - yet you have James and John William on the headstone ??