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A civil marr could be a rego office marr, or a non-conformist marr where the church was not approved to keep an official marr register so the registrar would need to attend with his official marr rego for the couple plus witnesses to sign to complete the ceremony.
Pre-1898, the only non-conformists approved to keep an official marr rego were jews and quakers.
After 1898, any non-conformist church could apply to be approved (although the RCs chose not to apply until 1980-ish)


Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1885
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
EMBERTON Emily LEESE Albert Henry Civil Marriage (Stafford) Newcastle-Under-Lyme SDRO/09/179
http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/marriagesearch.php

Henry (aka Joseph Henry) and Mary are Albert's parents:

Albert's birth (probably already posted):

LEES, ALBERT HENRY mms MASON
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 18

So Charlotte Ball is Albert's aunt, and therefore Sarah's great-aunt.

Charlotte's sisters in 1861:

Henry Mason
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Henry Mason
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Mason
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradeley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stafford St Mary
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stafford
Sub-registration district: Stafford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 1906
Folio: 69
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Mason 38
Charlotte Mason 42
Mary Mason 14 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hannah Mason 12
William Mason 9
George Mason 8
Ellen Mason 6
Charlotte Mason 4
Samuel Mason 1


Mary Mason
in the England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1988
Name: Mary Mason
Gender: Female
Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1846
Marriage Date: 20 Feb 1865
Marriage Place: Forebridge, Staffordshire, England
Father: Henry Mason
Spouse: Joseph Henry Lees

Joseph Henry Lees
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Joseph Henry Lees
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 1865
Marriage Place: Forebridge, Stafford, England
Father: James Lees
Spouse: Mary Mason


[Deleted 1851 census for Henry Lees - irrelevant to this line of enquiry.]

In 1871 there's an Albert Lees with the Mason family.
Is this Emily's husband-to-be?:

Albert Lees
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Albert Lees
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Stafford, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Castle Church
Ecclesiastical parish: Forebridge St Paul
Town: Stafford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stafford
Sub-registration district: Castle Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 39
Piece: 2819
Folio: 64
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Merson 47
Charlotte Merson 53
Ellen Merson 16
William Merson 20
George Merson 18
Samuel Merson 11
Albert Lees 5


Yes, looks like it:


Albert Leese
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Albert Leese
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Henry Leese
Mother: Mary Leese
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Castle Church
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: Wolverhampton Road
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration district: Stafford
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors:
Piece: 2687
Folio: 102
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Leese 32
Mary Leese 31
Albert Leese 16
Alice Leese 12
James Leese 9


Then in 1891 he's with Emily, Sarah, and Alice, as already posted.

Charlotte Mason
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Charlotte Mason
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Bradley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Castle Church
Ecclesiastical parish: Forebridge St Paul
Town: Stafford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stafford
Sub-registration district: Castle Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 42
Piece: 2819
Folio: 65
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas C Hopkinson 40
Lettice Hopkinson 39
Elizabeth Hopkinson 10
Thomas C Hopkinson 8
Alfred Hopkinson 7
John J Hopkinson 1
Charlotte Mason 14


Charlotte Mason
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Charlotte Mason
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Henry Mason
Mother's name: Charlotte Mason
Gender: Female
Where born: Bradeley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stafford St Mary
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stafford
Sub-registration district: Stafford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 1906
Folio: 69
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Mason 38
Charlotte Mason 42
Mary Mason 14
Hannah Mason 12
William Mason 9
George Mason 8
Ellen Mason 6
Charlotte Mason 4
Samuel Mason 1

Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%)
Ball Thomas Stafford 6b 5
MASON Charlotte Stafford 6b 5


Thomas Ball in 1901 is a beerseller.


Thomas Ball
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Thomas Ball
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Charlotte Ball
Gender: Male
Where born: Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 210 Normacott Rd
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Beerseller <<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors:
Piece: 2734
Folio: 140
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ball 30
Charlotte Ball 27
Emilia Jane Mason 5 - visitor


Thomas Ball
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Thomas Ball
Age in 1911: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Longton, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Longton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: Cheshire Cheese, 66 Edensor Rd, Longton, Stoke On Trent
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Beerseller <<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Registration District Number: 361
Sub-registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 218
Piece: 16590
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ball 60
Charlotte Ball 54
Charlotte Ball 20 - daughter
Florrie Ball 15 - niece

Maddie suggested a marriage (1908) and death (1909) for Sarah.

The marriage cert would be required to check her father's name.

You seem happy that the Sarah living with the Ball family in 1901 is Alice's sister.

How do the Balls connect with her parents?

Have you traced Sarah after 1901?

Depending on how important it is to you, it may be a worthwhile investment to get a copy of the death cert (£6.00) to settle things in your own mind, at least

thank you yes where is emily?

only death i can find age 2 yrs out

Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
Leese Emily 42 Stoke T. 6b 173

1901 Emily Jane at 1,Browning Street.


1901 Thomas Sturland at 3,Browning Street.

So its looking as though Emily J 1875 was in fact Jane Sturland,daughter of Thomas and Ann.

So where in Emily nee Emberton??

Maryb.

Assuming that is the correct Albert who married Jane Sturland -
If they did marry 18 years before 1911, that makes it 1893.

So, I wonder if Emily J Lees born 1875 (on 1901 census) is actually Jane Sturland, because of the initial J and the YOB?

Jane was born 1875.

STURLAND, JANE mms PICKERSGILL
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 2

Perhaps they'd been living as a married couple for 18 years, although not actually married.

Perhaps in 1901, when asked his wife's name, Albert said "Emily", then quickly realised his mistake and said "Jane", so that the enumerator thought his wife was Emily Jane.

On the other hand, Alice Blunt's DOB would fit with Alice Leese's birth reg.

Alice Blunt
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Alice Blunt
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 3 Jul 1887
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 21
Residence Place: Stafford, Staffordshire, England
Occupation: Office Cleaner
Schedule Number: 19
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: OSAM
Registration district: 357-1
Inferred Spouse: Herbert J Blunt
Inferred Children: Albert G Blunt
Household Members:
Name
Herbert J Blunt
Alice Blunt
Albert G Blunt


LEESE, ALICE mms EMBERTON
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 10

That Albert with wife Jane in 1911 was living at 70 Foregate Street.

It may just be coincidence, but in a different household at 70 Foregate Street is this family:


Alice Blunt
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Alice Blunt
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Stafford, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Stafford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 70 Foregate Street, Stafford
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 2
Estimated Marriage Year: 1909
Registration district: Stafford
Registration District Number: 357
Sub-registration district: Stafford
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 16353
Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert John Blunt 37
Alice Blunt 23
Albert George Blunt 11/12


Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)
BLUNT Herbert John Stafford 6b 44
LEES Alice Stafford 6b 44

BLUNT, ALBERT GEORGE mms LEES
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 13


But as the name is consistently spelled Lees, not Leese, perhaps it's a red herring.

And also Jane Sturland's marriage was 8 years before 1911, not 18.

It may of course have been a mistake by Albert in filling out the census form - but a big mistake - and he got his own age wrong too.

for confirmation
70 Foregate St Stafford, Stafford, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Herbert John Blunt Head Married Male 27 1884 Clicker Boot And Shoe Trade Staffordshire Stafford
Alice Blunt Wife Married Female 23 1888 - Staffordshire Stafford
Albert George Blunt Son - Male 0 1911 - Staffordshire Staffor

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

70 Foregate St Stafford, Stafford, Staffordshire, England

Albert Henry Lees's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Albert Henry Lees Head Married Male 43 1868 General Labourer Stafford Staffordshire
Jane Lees Wife Married Female 35 1876 - Stafford Staffordshire

Jane Sturland 1876 married 1903 Wolverhampton to Albert Henry lees.

1911 they are at the same address as Alice Blunt nee leese who was the daughter of Emily and Albert
Alice married Henry John Blunt.

So it is the same family so Emily must have passed away before 1903.

Maryb.

could albert have remarried ???
1911

Albert Henry Lees Head Married Male 43 1868 General Labourer Stafford Staffordshire
Jane Lees Wife Married Female 35 1876 - Stafford Staffordshire

marrried 18 years, i child died

1939
Lees Household (3 People) 41 Peel Terrace , Stafford M.B., Staffordshire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Albert H Lees 13 Aug 1865 Male Retired Married 92 1
Jane Lees 28 May 1875 Female Housewife (Blind Person) Married 92 2
Alice Holmes 18 Mar 1881 Female Housekeeper Widowed 92 3

there is a death for him in 1940

but i cant find a marriage

can find nothing for emily

This looks like the Charlotte Leese mum nee Atkins born 1890

James Henry Leese born 1873 brother to Albert henry leese who married Emily.
James Henry married Mary Monica Atkins and had Charlotte 1890.

1901 Charlotte is not with her parents so could this be the one with Albert H and Emily J in 1901 ?? and mistranscribed as daughter.

Charlotte married Patrick Madden

1901 posted for Emily J and Albert Henry has a boarder George
Mason born Bentley staffs

George Mason born 1852 had sister Mary Mason 1845 who married Joseph Henry lees they were the parents of Albert Henry leese and James Henry leese so it looks as though the Emily Jane leese in 1901 census could be your missing Emily.


Maryb.

still looking for emily leese in 1901 born 1865