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emily leese 1865 staffordshire

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malyon

malyon Report 19 Oct 2018 21:33

please can you help find emily leese born emberton 1965 she married albert h leese
i found them in 1891 can't find emily albert or alice in 1901 or 1911 census found daughter sarah j in 1901 living with uncle and aunt


England and Wales Census, 1891

Name: Alice Leese
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
County: Staffordshire
Parish: Castle Church
Ecclesiastical Parish: ST PAULS FOREBRIDGE
Registration District: Stafford
Residence Note: Bailey Street
Gender: Female
Age: 4
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated): 1887
Birthplace: Stafford, England
Page Number: 1
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 2138/ 31
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Albert H Leese Head Male 26 Stafford, England
Emily Leese Wife Female 26 England
Sarah J Leese Daughter Female 5 England
Alice Leese Daughter Female 4 Stafford, England


Sarah Leese
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name: Sarah Leese
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Lonton, Staffordshire, England
County: Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Lonton
Ecclesiastical Parish: Longton St John
Sub-District: Longton
Registration District: Stoke Upon Trent
Residence Note: Anchor Terrace
Gender: Female
Age: 15
Relationship to Head of Household: Niece
Birth Year (Estimated): 1886
Birthplace: Stafford, Staffordshire
Schedule Type: 51
Page Number: 10
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Thomas Ball Head Male 50 Longton, Staffordshire
Charlotte Ball Wife Female 44 Stafford, Staffordshire
Sarah Leese Niece Female 15 Stafford, Staffordshire

safc

safc Report 19 Oct 2018 21:44

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Record Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

1, Browning Street, Stafford, Staffordshire, England

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Alice Lees's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Albert H Lees Head Married Male 32 1869 General Labourer Staffordshire, England
Emily J Lees Wife Married Female 26 1875 - Staffordshire, England
Alice Lees Daughter Single Female 13 1888 Paste Fitter Shoe Trade Staffordshire, England
Charlotte Lees Daughter Single Female 10 1891 - Staffordshire, England
George Mason Boarder Single Male 49 1852 General Labourer Bradley, Staffordshire, England
Henry Osborne Boarder Single Male 18 1883 Bricklayers Staffordshire, England
Joseph Sergant Boarder Single Male 23 1878 General Labourer Staffordshire, England

malyon

malyon Report 19 Oct 2018 21:53

thank you that could be them but emily was born 1865 and had no middle name
not finding a birth for charlotte with mother emberton

malyon

malyon Report 19 Oct 2018 22:12

my emily had no middle name

Marriages Sep 1885
Emberton Emily Stafford 6b 33
LEESE Albert Henry Stafford 6b 33

Births Jun 1865 (>99%)
Emberton Emily Stafford 6B 13

malyon

malyon Report 19 Oct 2018 22:14

found this birth

LEES, CHARLOTTE ATKINS Order
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 13

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 20 Oct 2018 10:25


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
EMBERTON, EMILY (MMN) MOORE Order
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 13

Maddie

Maddie Report 20 Oct 2018 10:49

SARAH JANE
Last name LEES
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1908
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


SARAH JANE LEES married one of these people

William Charles Wilson, William Raworth
District Stafford
District number -
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Volume as transcribed 6B
Page number 26

SARAH JANE
Last name RAWORTH
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1886
Age 23
Death quarter 2
Death year 1909
District Stafford
County Staffordshire
Volume 6B
Page 6
Country England

malyon

malyon Report 20 Oct 2018 11:12

still looking for emily leese in 1901 born 1865

Mary

Mary Report 20 Oct 2018 12:00

This looks like the Charlotte Leese mum nee Atkins born 1890

James Henry Leese born 1873 brother to Albert henry leese who married Emily.
James Henry married Mary Monica Atkins and had Charlotte 1890.

1901 Charlotte is not with her parents so could this be the one with Albert H and Emily J in 1901 ?? and mistranscribed as daughter.

Charlotte married Patrick Madden

1901 posted for Emily J and Albert Henry has a boarder George
Mason born Bentley staffs

George Mason born 1852 had sister Mary Mason 1845 who married Joseph Henry lees they were the parents of Albert Henry leese and James Henry leese so it looks as though the Emily Jane leese in 1901 census could be your missing Emily.


Maryb.

Maddie

Maddie Report 20 Oct 2018 12:01

could albert have remarried ???
1911

Albert Henry Lees Head Married Male 43 1868 General Labourer Stafford Staffordshire
Jane Lees Wife Married Female 35 1876 - Stafford Staffordshire

marrried 18 years, i child died

1939
Lees Household (3 People) 41 Peel Terrace , Stafford M.B., Staffordshire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Albert H Lees 13 Aug 1865 Male Retired Married 92 1
Jane Lees 28 May 1875 Female Housewife (Blind Person) Married 92 2
Alice Holmes 18 Mar 1881 Female Housekeeper Widowed 92 3

there is a death for him in 1940

but i cant find a marriage

can find nothing for emily

Mary

Mary Report 20 Oct 2018 12:23

Jane Sturland 1876 married 1903 Wolverhampton to Albert Henry lees.

1911 they are at the same address as Alice Blunt nee leese who was the daughter of Emily and Albert
Alice married Henry John Blunt.

So it is the same family so Emily must have passed away before 1903.

Maryb.

Maddie

Maddie Report 20 Oct 2018 12:43

for confirmation
70 Foregate St Stafford, Stafford, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Herbert John Blunt Head Married Male 27 1884 Clicker Boot And Shoe Trade Staffordshire Stafford
Alice Blunt Wife Married Female 23 1888 - Staffordshire Stafford
Albert George Blunt Son - Male 0 1911 - Staffordshire Staffor

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

70 Foregate St Stafford, Stafford, Staffordshire, England

Albert Henry Lees's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Albert Henry Lees Head Married Male 43 1868 General Labourer Stafford Staffordshire
Jane Lees Wife Married Female 35 1876 - Stafford Staffordshire

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Oct 2018 12:44

That Albert with wife Jane in 1911 was living at 70 Foregate Street.

It may just be coincidence, but in a different household at 70 Foregate Street is this family:


Alice Blunt
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Alice Blunt
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Stafford, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Stafford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 70 Foregate Street, Stafford
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 2
Estimated Marriage Year: 1909
Registration district: Stafford
Registration District Number: 357
Sub-registration district: Stafford
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 16353
Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert John Blunt 37
Alice Blunt 23
Albert George Blunt 11/12


Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)
BLUNT Herbert John Stafford 6b 44
LEES Alice Stafford 6b 44

BLUNT, ALBERT GEORGE mms LEES
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 13


But as the name is consistently spelled Lees, not Leese, perhaps it's a red herring.

And also Jane Sturland's marriage was 8 years before 1911, not 18.

It may of course have been a mistake by Albert in filling out the census form - but a big mistake - and he got his own age wrong too.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Oct 2018 12:47

On the other hand, Alice Blunt's DOB would fit with Alice Leese's birth reg.

Alice Blunt
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Alice Blunt
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 3 Jul 1887
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 21
Residence Place: Stafford, Staffordshire, England
Occupation: Office Cleaner
Schedule Number: 19
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: OSAM
Registration district: 357-1
Inferred Spouse: Herbert J Blunt
Inferred Children: Albert G Blunt
Household Members:
Name
Herbert J Blunt
Alice Blunt
Albert G Blunt


LEESE, ALICE mms EMBERTON
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 10

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Oct 2018 13:00

Assuming that is the correct Albert who married Jane Sturland -
If they did marry 18 years before 1911, that makes it 1893.

So, I wonder if Emily J Lees born 1875 (on 1901 census) is actually Jane Sturland, because of the initial J and the YOB?

Jane was born 1875.

STURLAND, JANE mms PICKERSGILL
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 2

Perhaps they'd been living as a married couple for 18 years, although not actually married.

Perhaps in 1901, when asked his wife's name, Albert said "Emily", then quickly realised his mistake and said "Jane", so that the enumerator thought his wife was Emily Jane.

Mary

Mary Report 20 Oct 2018 13:53

1901 Emily Jane at 1,Browning Street.


1901 Thomas Sturland at 3,Browning Street.

So its looking as though Emily J 1875 was in fact Jane Sturland,daughter of Thomas and Ann.

So where in Emily nee Emberton??

Maryb.

malyon

malyon Report 20 Oct 2018 17:40

thank you yes where is emily?

only death i can find age 2 yrs out

Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
Leese Emily 42 Stoke T. 6b 173

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Oct 2018 11:21

Depending on how important it is to you, it may be a worthwhile investment to get a copy of the death cert (£6.00) to settle things in your own mind, at least

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Oct 2018 11:26

You seem happy that the Sarah living with the Ball family in 1901 is Alice's sister.

How do the Balls connect with her parents?

Have you traced Sarah after 1901?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Oct 2018 13:10

Maddie suggested a marriage (1908) and death (1909) for Sarah.

The marriage cert would be required to check her father's name.