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malyon
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19 Oct 2018 21:33 |
please can you help find emily leese born emberton 1965 she married albert h leese i found them in 1891 can't find emily albert or alice in 1901 or 1911 census found daughter sarah j in 1901 living with uncle and aunt
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name: Alice Leese Event Type: Census Event Date: 1891 County: Staffordshire Parish: Castle Church Ecclesiastical Parish: ST PAULS FOREBRIDGE Registration District: Stafford Residence Note: Bailey Street Gender: Female Age: 4 Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birth Year (Estimated): 1887 Birthplace: Stafford, England Page Number: 1 Registration Number: RG12 Piece/Folio: 2138/ 31 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Albert H Leese Head Male 26 Stafford, England Emily Leese Wife Female 26 England Sarah J Leese Daughter Female 5 England Alice Leese Daughter Female 4 Stafford, England
Sarah Leese England and Wales Census, 1901 Name: Sarah Leese Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Event Place: Lonton, Staffordshire, England County: Staffordshire Civil Parish: Lonton Ecclesiastical Parish: Longton St John Sub-District: Longton Registration District: Stoke Upon Trent Residence Note: Anchor Terrace Gender: Female Age: 15 Relationship to Head of Household: Niece Birth Year (Estimated): 1886 Birthplace: Stafford, Staffordshire Schedule Type: 51 Page Number: 10 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Thomas Ball Head Male 50 Longton, Staffordshire Charlotte Ball Wife Female 44 Stafford, Staffordshire Sarah Leese Niece Female 15 Stafford, Staffordshire
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19 Oct 2018 21:44 |
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Record Transcription: 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
1, Browning Street, Stafford, Staffordshire, England
Report a transcription error. Alice Lees's Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Albert H Lees Head Married Male 32 1869 General Labourer Staffordshire, England Emily J Lees Wife Married Female 26 1875 - Staffordshire, England Alice Lees Daughter Single Female 13 1888 Paste Fitter Shoe Trade Staffordshire, England Charlotte Lees Daughter Single Female 10 1891 - Staffordshire, England George Mason Boarder Single Male 49 1852 General Labourer Bradley, Staffordshire, England Henry Osborne Boarder Single Male 18 1883 Bricklayers Staffordshire, England Joseph Sergant Boarder Single Male 23 1878 General Labourer Staffordshire, England
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malyon
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19 Oct 2018 21:53 |
thank you that could be them but emily was born 1865 and had no middle name not finding a birth for charlotte with mother emberton
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malyon
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19 Oct 2018 22:12 |
my emily had no middle name
Marriages Sep 1885 Emberton Emily Stafford 6b 33 LEESE Albert Henry Stafford 6b 33
Births Jun 1865 (>99%) Emberton Emily Stafford 6B 13
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malyon
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19 Oct 2018 22:14 |
found this birth
LEES, CHARLOTTE ATKINS Order GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 13
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ErikaH
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20 Oct 2018 10:25 |
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: EMBERTON, EMILY (MMN) MOORE Order GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 13
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Maddie
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20 Oct 2018 10:49 |
SARAH JANE Last name LEES Marriage quarter 3 Marriage year 1908 Registration month -
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SARAH JANE LEES married one of these people
William Charles Wilson, William Raworth District Stafford District number - County Staffordshire Country England Volume 6B Volume as transcribed 6B Page number 26
SARAH JANE Last name RAWORTH Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1886 Age 23 Death quarter 2 Death year 1909 District Stafford County Staffordshire Volume 6B Page 6 Country England
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malyon
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20 Oct 2018 11:12 |
still looking for emily leese in 1901 born 1865
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Mary
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20 Oct 2018 12:00 |
This looks like the Charlotte Leese mum nee Atkins born 1890
James Henry Leese born 1873 brother to Albert henry leese who married Emily. James Henry married Mary Monica Atkins and had Charlotte 1890.
1901 Charlotte is not with her parents so could this be the one with Albert H and Emily J in 1901 ?? and mistranscribed as daughter.
Charlotte married Patrick Madden
1901 posted for Emily J and Albert Henry has a boarder George Mason born Bentley staffs
George Mason born 1852 had sister Mary Mason 1845 who married Joseph Henry lees they were the parents of Albert Henry leese and James Henry leese so it looks as though the Emily Jane leese in 1901 census could be your missing Emily.
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Maddie
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20 Oct 2018 12:01 |
could albert have remarried ??? 1911
Albert Henry Lees Head Married Male 43 1868 General Labourer Stafford Staffordshire Jane Lees Wife Married Female 35 1876 - Stafford Staffordshire
marrried 18 years, i child died
1939 Lees Household (3 People) 41 Peel Terrace , Stafford M.B., Staffordshire, England Add to tree View original image Print First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Albert H Lees 13 Aug 1865 Male Retired Married 92 1 Jane Lees 28 May 1875 Female Housewife (Blind Person) Married 92 2 Alice Holmes 18 Mar 1881 Female Housekeeper Widowed 92 3
there is a death for him in 1940
but i cant find a marriage
can find nothing for emily
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Mary
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20 Oct 2018 12:23 |
Jane Sturland 1876 married 1903 Wolverhampton to Albert Henry lees.
1911 they are at the same address as Alice Blunt nee leese who was the daughter of Emily and Albert Alice married Henry John Blunt.
So it is the same family so Emily must have passed away before 1903.
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Maddie
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20 Oct 2018 12:43 |
for confirmation 70 Foregate St Stafford, Stafford, Staffordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Herbert John Blunt Head Married Male 27 1884 Clicker Boot And Shoe Trade Staffordshire Stafford Alice Blunt Wife Married Female 23 1888 - Staffordshire Stafford Albert George Blunt Son - Male 0 1911 - Staffordshire Staffor
Record Transcription: 1911 Census For England & Wales
70 Foregate St Stafford, Stafford, Staffordshire, England
Albert Henry Lees's Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Albert Henry Lees Head Married Male 43 1868 General Labourer Stafford Staffordshire Jane Lees Wife Married Female 35 1876 - Stafford Staffordshire
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ArgyllGran
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20 Oct 2018 12:44 |
That Albert with wife Jane in 1911 was living at 70 Foregate Street.
It may just be coincidence, but in a different household at 70 Foregate Street is this family:
Alice Blunt in the 1911 England Census Name: Alice Blunt Age in 1911: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Stafford, Staffordshire Civil Parish: Stafford County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 70 Foregate Street, Stafford Marital Status: Married Years Married: 2 Estimated Marriage Year: 1909 Registration district: Stafford Registration District Number: 357 Sub-registration district: Stafford ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Household schedule number: 32 Piece: 16353 Household Members: Name Age Herbert John Blunt 37 Alice Blunt 23 Albert George Blunt 11/12
Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%) BLUNT Herbert John Stafford 6b 44 LEES Alice Stafford 6b 44
BLUNT, ALBERT GEORGE mms LEES GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 13
But as the name is consistently spelled Lees, not Leese, perhaps it's a red herring.
And also Jane Sturland's marriage was 8 years before 1911, not 18.
It may of course have been a mistake by Albert in filling out the census form - but a big mistake - and he got his own age wrong too.
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ArgyllGran
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20 Oct 2018 12:47 |
On the other hand, Alice Blunt's DOB would fit with Alice Leese's birth reg.
Alice Blunt in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Alice Blunt Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 3 Jul 1887 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 21 Residence Place: Stafford, Staffordshire, England Occupation: Office Cleaner Schedule Number: 19 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: OSAM Registration district: 357-1 Inferred Spouse: Herbert J Blunt Inferred Children: Albert G Blunt Household Members: Name Herbert J Blunt Alice Blunt Albert G Blunt
LEESE, ALICE mms EMBERTON GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 10
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ArgyllGran
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20 Oct 2018 13:00 |
Assuming that is the correct Albert who married Jane Sturland - If they did marry 18 years before 1911, that makes it 1893.
So, I wonder if Emily J Lees born 1875 (on 1901 census) is actually Jane Sturland, because of the initial J and the YOB?
Jane was born 1875.
STURLAND, JANE mms PICKERSGILL GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 2
Perhaps they'd been living as a married couple for 18 years, although not actually married.
Perhaps in 1901, when asked his wife's name, Albert said "Emily", then quickly realised his mistake and said "Jane", so that the enumerator thought his wife was Emily Jane.
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Mary
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20 Oct 2018 13:53 |
1901 Emily Jane at 1,Browning Street.
1901 Thomas Sturland at 3,Browning Street.
So its looking as though Emily J 1875 was in fact Jane Sturland,daughter of Thomas and Ann.
So where in Emily nee Emberton??
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malyon
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20 Oct 2018 17:40 |
thank you yes where is emily?
only death i can find age 2 yrs out
Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%) Leese Emily 42 Stoke T. 6b 173
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ErikaH
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21 Oct 2018 11:21 |
Depending on how important it is to you, it may be a worthwhile investment to get a copy of the death cert (£6.00) to settle things in your own mind, at least
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ErikaH
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21 Oct 2018 11:26 |
You seem happy that the Sarah living with the Ball family in 1901 is Alice's sister.
How do the Balls connect with her parents?
Have you traced Sarah after 1901?
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ArgyllGran
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21 Oct 2018 13:10 |
Maddie suggested a marriage (1908) and death (1909) for Sarah.
The marriage cert would be required to check her father's name.
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