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I don't know that he DID die in 1916- its just that this is what is said on the family tree. However Tom from Ffestiniog who died in 1918 enlisted in Tredegar close to Merthyr in the Cheshire Regiment so I think that I'll try and contact them
I think I've found the person Alison Arnold mentioned above and have sent her an email. My husband has also written to a cousin ( the same relation to Tom and Ellis as he is) to ask if he knows anything.
The Archives rang me this morning to say they had not found anything.
Youe enthusiasm is infectious.
I've been in a similar position to this some years ago when it looked hopeless but I did find the relative in the States so onwards and upwards.
I'll be back!

Yes, that's why I chickened out of pursuing that line of enquiry, but kudos to you, ArgyllGran, for having a decent go at it. :-D

Indeed there are.
Assuming (BIG assumption) that Pearl was Jack/John's wife, and that Jane was their daughter, and that neither Pearl nor Jane was a nickname -

The only John Davies / Pearl marriage in a likely timeframe, which might match the birth of a child named Jane is this one:

Marriages Dec 1943 (>99%)
Davies John Evans Carmarthen 11a 2241
Evans Pearl M Davies Carmarthen 11a 2241

Births of children named Jane Davies with mms Evans:

in Cardigan C in 1941; two in Cardigan C 1943; Holywell 1945; Cardigan N 1949; West Glamorgan 1951; Neath 1956; Machynlleth in 1956, in Stoke in 1957; Bedwellty 1959; Caerleon 1960; Cardiff 1963; Haverfordwest 1963; Brentwood 1965


But huge assumptions all round!

There are no marriages of a Jack Davies to a Pearl, in England and Wales, but there are some marriages of men named John Davies to ladies named Pearl.

Yes, sorry - I thought better of my qustion, and deleted it - must have been just as you posted your reply.

I had thought maybe Pearl was Jack's wife - but can see no sign of any such marriage - at least not in the UK.

Yes Anne Crampton is buried near Jane and her husband and my inlaws.
The post above of 20.30 was in response to a question which has mysteriously disappeared!

Ellis's widow in 1939:

Jane E Davies
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Jane E Davies
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widow
Birth Date: 6 Feb 1880
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 38, Dorvil Street
Residence Place: Ffestiniog, Merionethshire, Wales
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic duties
Schedule Number: 199
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: ZPDJ
Registration district: 626-1
Household Members:
Name
Jane E Davies
Annie R Crampton - 23/10/1909
This record is officially closed.
Godfrey Edwards
Arthur Kirwood


Godfrey and Arthur are both single - probably lodgers.


Daughter Annie's death:

Annie Regina Crampton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Annie Regina Crampton
Death Age: 91
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1909
Registration Date: Apr 2001
Registration district: De Meirionnydd
Inferred County: Gwynedd
Register Number: 35D
District and Subdistrict: 8431

You probably have that, Frances, but I thought I'd post it anyway.

Ellis's probate notice gives his address as Ty Capel, Croesor, Llanfrothen, Penrhyndeudraeth. Administration to Jane Ellen Davies, widow.


Ellis Davies
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Ellis Davies
Death Date: 3 Feb 1926
Death Place: Merionethshire, Wales
Probate Date: 25 Jun 1926
Registry: St. Asaph

Marriages Jun 1923 (>99%)
Crampton Jane E C Davies Festiniog 11b 723
DAVIES Ellis Crampton Festiniog 11b 723



Deaths Dec 1967 (>99%)
Davies Jane E C 87 Merioneth E. 8c 7

The above info is on freebmd

They are together- Jack, Pearl a Jane:
It is in Welsh- " a" means "and".
I reckon this report is approx 1960 - 1970.

Dea- you are the contributor who keeps giving! Having just read your post I went to look out the wedding photo of Ellis and his wife. I also checked my family tree info and some old newspaper cuttings . I noticed that Ellis's father David was in Ellis's wedding photo and the family tree tells me that he survived Ellis by a year. His wife Jane nee Roberts ( my husband's great -grandmother) died within months of giving birth to her youngest child- the sister of Ellis and Tom. By the time David died he had lost his wife almost 40 years before and two daughters (adults) and two sons.
A newspaper cutting of Mrs Ellis Davies's funeral ( I don't know when) names amongst the mourners who sent flowers, Jack, Pearl and Jane. Is this the Jack mentioned above as being son of Tom? Unfortunately it doesn't say where they are from and having initially been excited by this I don't know if it takes us any further.

Oh Frances - I did not realise that this information could be so significant to anyone.

Very pleased to be of help and very happy to help further if needed.

Just ask!!!

Dea x

Dea- Thank you SO much- I didn't know about this and it has reduced me to tears.! I knew he was well respected and he married late in life to a Mrs Jeannie Crampton a widow with three children whose husband had died in th States . She and one of her daughters are also buried in Llan. Llan is the local name for Llanffestiniog which is where the original settlement was. Blaenau Ffestiniog which is what most people would associate with the name" Ffestiniog" , only came into being on the discovery of slate there.
As for the funeral being the largest seen that speaks volumes as Llan has had its share of quarry accidents and also many family tragedies- near the family graves you have one family who lost five children under 12. Life was hard and poor and difficult in this mountain community.
I would never have known this information you provided- I am very grateful.

Yes I would have- no it isn't and that has implications for finding his service record. If I find someone I think is him I won't be able to cross check it if his next of kin is a wife I don't know of. I'm more keenly aware of this because earlier this year we finally found another casualty from the Great War- a " Jones" and we had been looking for him for years. We knew we had the right person when the cwgc site had my husband's great-grandparents as his next of kin.
My mother-in law has a fairly extensive family tree but didn't tell us about it during her lifetime and so we never had the chance to ask her questions about it. I am astonished at how much she discovered in the days before the internet- and she was a Jones- married and maiden name. Nevertheless and perhaps because she was an only child some of the information such as dates seems to have been a best guess. It surprises me that she didn't have a family bible where all of this was written or her father's war record( he survived and was invalided back home) or any of her family's medals.
Once more-thank you so much and if you have any other suggestions please keep them coming.

That is what I found :

Mr, Ellis Davies, headmaster of Croesor Council School, who died while gathering snowdrops, was buried yesterday at Festiniog cemetery. All the schools closed for teachers and scholars attend. The funeral was the largest seen at Festiniog.
09 February 1926 - Lancashire Evening Post - Preston, Lancashire, England

Dea x

I'm sure you would have said if Tom's wife's name was on the family tree, as Betty and Jack are named??

Just thought I'd ask!

The family tree says 1926? but I know where he is buried ( in the cemetery in Llan).

Do you have the details on Ellis's death already or do you need them?

Dea x

Ellis Davies MMN Roberts was actually born 1878

DAVIES, ELLIS ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in FESTINIOG Volume 11B Page 398

Duh! Sorry! I was wondering why someone thought he had married in 1876. Yes I knew his parents were David and Jane and Jane WAS a Roberts . The eldest child of whom I am aware was born in1877 ( Elizabeth) . She died in 1899 which may be why Tom named his daughter Elizabeth/Betty