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Thanks Shirley, don't know how I missed that.
Catherine's been throwing me for a loop. I found two graves on findagrave site that had me confused.
The inscription on one said:
In loving memory of
FRANCIS BAVIS, the dearly loved son of
THOMAS & LOUISA BAVIS
who died Feb 19 1932
also THOMAS BAVIS, father of above
who died Sept 15 1936 age 39
Also MATTHEW beloved husband of LOUISA FAIRCLOUGH
died Nov 1 1946 age 77
LOUISA FAIRCLOUGH, wife of aforesaid
died Aug 4 1949, age 80 years
RON BAVIS beloved husband of BRENDA
died March 5 1996 age 64
Now, I know for sure that this grave is the Thomas Bavis who married Louisa Roberts (nee Dennett), who then went on to marry Matthew Fairclough. Francis was their son but I hadn't heard of Ron before.
There was a grave for GEORGE RICHARD ROY, b. 9 October 1918 and died 28 Jun 1941, age 22,
and CATHERINE BAVIS, mother of George Richard Roy, b. 1890 and died 1988.
And another grave of G. W. ROY, S. Lancashire Regiment, b. 1886 in Norfolk and died 2 August 1917, age 30, son of Mr. & Mrs. Roy of Bixley, Norfolk, husband of Catherine Bavis (formerly Roy) of 60 Gaskell Street, St. Helens.
In trying to sort this out, I think that the Catherine Bavis, mother of G. R. Roy is actually Catherine Lacey and there's a marriage to George W. Roy in 1911.
George W. Roy died in 1917 and Catherine married Thomas Bavis in 1919 and I think that Thomas Bavis is the son of the Thomas Bavis married to Louisa, and that Ronald is their son.
I'm still trying to get my head around it but can you see any flaws in it?
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Ronald's birth, with mmn Lacey:
Births Sep 1931 (>99%)
Bavis Ronald Lacey Doncaster 9c 1335
Birth of the Thomas who died 1936 ( already posted on page 1) - son of Louisa Dennet:
BAVIS, THOMAS mmn DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 757
Marriages Sep 1937 (>99%)
Bavis Louisa Fairclough St.Helens 8b 1925
Fairclough Matthew W Bavis St.Helens 8b 1925
That must be Louisa, widow of Thomas.
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Ronald with parents in 1939:
Ronald Bavis
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Ronald Bavis
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 26 Aug 1931
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 12,
Residence Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Occupation: At School
Line Number: 2
Schedule Number: 49
Sub Schedule Number: 7
Enumeration District: NONS
Borough: St Helens
Registration district: 456 a/2
Household Members Age
Catherine Bavis 50
George R Roy 21
Thomas Bavis 19
Albert Bavis 16
Louisa Bavis 14
This record is officially closed.
Ronald Bavis 8
This record is officially closed
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The children in 1939 above:
Births Mar 1925 (>99%)
Bavis Louisa Lacey Prescot 8b 1329
Births Jun 1923 (>99%)
Bavis Albert Lacey Prescot 8b 1416
Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Bavis Thomas Lacey Prescot 8b 1607
Births Dec 1918 (>99%)
Roy George R Lacey Prescot 8b 1090
There were also two daughters, born 1928 and 1935.
They will be the closed records in 1939.
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Possible first marriage for Ronald ???
Frances T Neary
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Frances T Neary
Registration Date: Jan 1958
[Feb 1958]
[Mar 1958]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Prescot
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Ronald Bavis
Volume Number: 10f
Page Number: 450
Frances T Bavis
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Frances T Bavis
Death Age: 37
Birth Date: abt 1932
Registration Date: Jan 1969
[Feb 1969]
[Mar 1969]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 323
His marriage to Brenda was at the end of 1969.
She's on 2011 ER, and was still living in 2019 per GRO.
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Thanks so much. It gets so confusing when they keep using the same names over and over doesn't it.
You gave a birth reference for Thomas born 1896 but this is not the Thomas who died in 1936. The Thomas who died in 1936 was the husband of Louisa. The Thomas born in 1896 died in 1898 at the age of 2, then Thomas and Louisa had another Thomas born in 1899 who died after about 13 hours. It was the third Thomas who I think married Catherine Roy (nee Lacey).
Told you it was confusing!!
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