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Thanks so much. It gets so confusing when they keep using the same names over and over doesn't it.

You gave a birth reference for Thomas born 1896 but this is not the Thomas who died in 1936. The Thomas who died in 1936 was the husband of Louisa. The Thomas born in 1896 died in 1898 at the age of 2, then Thomas and Louisa had another Thomas born in 1899 who died after about 13 hours. It was the third Thomas who I think married Catherine Roy (nee Lacey).

Told you it was confusing!!

Possible first marriage for Ronald ???

Frances T Neary
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Frances T Neary
Registration Date: Jan 1958
[Feb 1958]
[Mar 1958]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Prescot
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Ronald Bavis
Volume Number: 10f
Page Number: 450


Frances T Bavis
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Frances T Bavis
Death Age: 37
Birth Date: abt 1932
Registration Date: Jan 1969
[Feb 1969]
[Mar 1969]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 323



His marriage to Brenda was at the end of 1969.
She's on 2011 ER, and was still living in 2019 per GRO.

The children in 1939 above:

Births Mar 1925 (>99%)
Bavis Louisa Lacey Prescot 8b 1329


Births Jun 1923 (>99%)
Bavis Albert Lacey Prescot 8b 1416


Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Bavis Thomas Lacey Prescot 8b 1607


Births Dec 1918 (>99%)
Roy George R Lacey Prescot 8b 1090


There were also two daughters, born 1928 and 1935.
They will be the closed records in 1939.

Ronald with parents in 1939:

Ronald Bavis
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Ronald Bavis
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 26 Aug 1931
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 12,
Residence Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Occupation: At School
Line Number: 2
Schedule Number: 49
Sub Schedule Number: 7
Enumeration District: NONS
Borough: St Helens
Registration district: 456 a/2
Household Members Age
Catherine Bavis 50
George R Roy 21
Thomas Bavis 19
Albert Bavis 16
Louisa Bavis 14
This record is officially closed.
Ronald Bavis 8
This record is officially closed

Ronald's birth, with mmn Lacey:

Births Sep 1931 (>99%)
Bavis Ronald Lacey Doncaster 9c 1335

Birth of the Thomas who died 1936 ( already posted on page 1) - son of Louisa Dennet:

BAVIS, THOMAS mmn DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 757



Marriages Sep 1937 (>99%)
Bavis Louisa Fairclough St.Helens 8b 1925
Fairclough Matthew W Bavis St.Helens 8b 1925


That must be Louisa, widow of Thomas.

Thanks Shirley, don't know how I missed that.
Catherine's been throwing me for a loop. I found two graves on findagrave site that had me confused.
The inscription on one said:
In loving memory of
FRANCIS BAVIS, the dearly loved son of
THOMAS & LOUISA BAVIS
who died Feb 19 1932
also THOMAS BAVIS, father of above
who died Sept 15 1936 age 39
Also MATTHEW beloved husband of LOUISA FAIRCLOUGH
died Nov 1 1946 age 77
LOUISA FAIRCLOUGH, wife of aforesaid
died Aug 4 1949, age 80 years
RON BAVIS beloved husband of BRENDA
died March 5 1996 age 64

Now, I know for sure that this grave is the Thomas Bavis who married Louisa Roberts (nee Dennett), who then went on to marry Matthew Fairclough. Francis was their son but I hadn't heard of Ron before.

There was a grave for GEORGE RICHARD ROY, b. 9 October 1918 and died 28 Jun 1941, age 22,
and CATHERINE BAVIS, mother of George Richard Roy, b. 1890 and died 1988.

And another grave of G. W. ROY, S. Lancashire Regiment, b. 1886 in Norfolk and died 2 August 1917, age 30, son of Mr. & Mrs. Roy of Bixley, Norfolk, husband of Catherine Bavis (formerly Roy) of 60 Gaskell Street, St. Helens.

In trying to sort this out, I think that the Catherine Bavis, mother of G. R. Roy is actually Catherine Lacey and there's a marriage to George W. Roy in 1911.
George W. Roy died in 1917 and Catherine married Thomas Bavis in 1919 and I think that Thomas Bavis is the son of the Thomas Bavis married to Louisa, and that Ronald is their son.
I'm still trying to get my head around it but can you see any flaws in it?

And Edwin probably .based on where they were living in 1939

Edwin
Last name Brown
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1890
Age 70
Death quarter 4
Death year 1960
District St. Helens
County Lancashire
Volume 10F
Page 459
Country England

Her death

Catherine
Last name Brown
Gender Female
Birth day 12
Birth month 4
Birth year 1891
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1973
District Widnes
County Lancashire
Volume 10F
Page 2348
Country England

1939 register

81 Cambridge Road, St Helens, St Helens C.B., Lancashire, England

Edwin Brown 31 Aug 1890 Male General Labourer Married 341 1
Catheirn Brown 12 Apr 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 341 2
Mona K Dean (Clara,Brown) 22 Apr 1919 Female Shorthand Typist Single 341 3
Wilfred Brown 17 Apr 1921 Male Painter Apprentice Single 341 4
Ref: RG101/4600C/005/2 Letter Code: NOAO
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Mona birth mmn spelt wrong ,and it’s Bavies on the gro record


Births Jun 1919
Brown Mona K Davies Prescot 8b 1143

Two possible children


Births Jun 1917
Brown Edwin Bavis Prescot 8b 1292

Births Jun 1921
Brown Wilfred Bavis Prescot 8b 1556

Have you found her death

Bit difficult I know with the surname Brown

I'm adding to this post because I'm trying to find what happened to Catherine Bavis, b 12 April 1891 in Oldham.
I think she married Edwin Brown in 1913 but I can't find her in the 1939 Register.

You're probably right. I'm guessing she was able to marry the third guy because Thomas was deceased and she just said she was a widow.

I expect Louisa and John Price Roberts just separated but didn't divorce, as was often the case, as divorce was very expensive.
So she probably wasn't free to remarry.

Just reading through these posts and noticed on the 1911 census that it says Thomas and Louisa had been married 22 years - by my math that makes them married in 1889. Louisa married John Price Roberts in June 1888 and had daughter Jane in April 1889. It looks like she left JPR very shortly after, but doesn't look like she ever actually married Thomas!!

Thanks ArgyllGran, you have been busy. I had no idea about these other children. I have also searched for a marriage for Louisa and Thomas but never found it. I'm assuming they didn't marry.

Thanks.

Son Albert also died very young:

Birth:
BAVIS, ALBERT mms DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 796


Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%)
Bavis Albert 4 Prescot 8b 1122

Another daughter:

Birth:
BAVIS, MARY JANE mms DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in ST HELENS Volume 08B Page 801


Deaths Dec 1904 (>99%)
BAVIS Mary Jane 2 Prescot 8b 545

They also had a daughter Maggie:

Birth:
BAVIS, MAGGIE mms DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 805


Deaths Sep 1898 (>99%)
Bavis Maggie 3 Prescot 8b 577


How sad - they lost two children in the same qr of 1898 - Maggie and the first Thomas.

The son Frank who died:

Birth:
BAVIS, FRANCIS mms DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 736

Deaths Dec 1900 (>99%)
Bavis Francis 7 Prescot 8b 480