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I've been trying to find this family in 1901 & 1911 census - Thomas Bavis, Louisa Bavis & children Jane (born 1889) and Catherine (born 1891).


In 1891 they are living in Oldham - I have this from the census and Catherine's birth certificate. They did move to St. Helens where both Thomas and Louisa died and are buried - Thomas in 1936 and Louisa in 1949. There were two other children, Frank and Thomas. Frank was born in 1893 but died at age 6 or 7. No idea when Thomas was born.


Louisa was previously married to John Price Roberts and Jane is from that marriage, though her name was Bavis on her marriage certificate.


I just need to find them in the 1901 and 1911 census.

Thanks.

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Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

43 Eldon St St Helens, St Helens, Lancashire, England
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Louisa Bavis's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Bavis Head Married Male 51 1860 Miner Hewer St Helens Lancs
Louisa Bavis Wife Married Female 45 1866 Miner St Helens Lancs
Thomas Bavis Son - Male 11 1900 School St Helens Lancs
Francis Bavis Son - Male 5 1906 School St Helens Lancs
Albert Bavis Son - Male 4 1907 - St Helens Lancs
Eliza Am Cliffe Boarder Single Female 24 1887 Employed At Brick Works St Helens Lancs


married 22 years 10 born 5 died 5 living

Thanks safc - this looks like them.

I wonder why they didn't show up when I looked - all that was coming up was Beavis and I didn't make a typo. Now I just have to find them in 1901.

Thanks.

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Record Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

14, Hammond Street, St Helens, Prescot, Lancashire, England
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Louisa Davies's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Davies Head Married Male 40 1861 General Labourer St Helens, Lancashire, England
Louisa Davies Wife Married Female 37 1864 - St Helens, Lancashire, England
Jane Davies Daughter Single Female 15 1886 - St Helens, Lancashire, England
Kate Davies Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Lancashire, England
Thomas Davies Son - Male 1 1900 - St Helens, Lancashire, England

don't think it says davies on census
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davies and bavis could sound the same

That has to be them ... Jane and Kate (Catherine).

Thanks so much.

They actually had three sons called Thomas, but the first two died in infancy:

Birth of the first one:
BAVIS, THOMAS mms DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 757

His death:
BAVIS, THOMAS 2
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 586





Birth of the second one:
BAVIS, THOMAS mms DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 735

His death:
BAVIS, THOMAS 0
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 535


Birth of the third one:
BAVIS, THOMAS mms DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 748


I don't see Thomas & Louisa's marriage. Perhaps there wasn't one.

Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
DENNETT Louisa Liverpool 8b 145
Roberts John Price Liverpool 8b 145

The son Frank who died:

Birth:
BAVIS, FRANCIS mms DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 736

Deaths Dec 1900 (>99%)
Bavis Francis 7 Prescot 8b 480

They also had a daughter Maggie:

Birth:
BAVIS, MAGGIE mms DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 805


Deaths Sep 1898 (>99%)
Bavis Maggie 3 Prescot 8b 577


How sad - they lost two children in the same qr of 1898 - Maggie and the first Thomas.

Another daughter:

Birth:
BAVIS, MARY JANE mms DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in ST HELENS Volume 08B Page 801


Deaths Dec 1904 (>99%)
BAVIS Mary Jane 2 Prescot 8b 545

Son Albert also died very young:

Birth:
BAVIS, ALBERT mms DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 796


Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%)
Bavis Albert 4 Prescot 8b 1122

Thanks ArgyllGran, you have been busy. I had no idea about these other children. I have also searched for a marriage for Louisa and Thomas but never found it. I'm assuming they didn't marry.

Thanks.

Just reading through these posts and noticed on the 1911 census that it says Thomas and Louisa had been married 22 years - by my math that makes them married in 1889. Louisa married John Price Roberts in June 1888 and had daughter Jane in April 1889. It looks like she left JPR very shortly after, but doesn't look like she ever actually married Thomas!!

I expect Louisa and John Price Roberts just separated but didn't divorce, as was often the case, as divorce was very expensive.
So she probably wasn't free to remarry.

You're probably right. I'm guessing she was able to marry the third guy because Thomas was deceased and she just said she was a widow.

I'm adding to this post because I'm trying to find what happened to Catherine Bavis, b 12 April 1891 in Oldham.
I think she married Edwin Brown in 1913 but I can't find her in the 1939 Register.

Have you found her death

Bit difficult I know with the surname Brown

Two possible children


Births Jun 1917
Brown Edwin Bavis Prescot 8b 1292

Births Jun 1921
Brown Wilfred Bavis Prescot 8b 1556

1939 register

81 Cambridge Road, St Helens, St Helens C.B., Lancashire, England

Edwin Brown 31 Aug 1890 Male General Labourer Married 341 1
Catheirn Brown 12 Apr 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 341 2
Mona K Dean (Clara,Brown) 22 Apr 1919 Female Shorthand Typist Single 341 3
Wilfred Brown 17 Apr 1921 Male Painter Apprentice Single 341 4
Ref: RG101/4600C/005/2 Letter Code: NOAO
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Mona birth mmn spelt wrong ,and it’s Bavies on the gro record


Births Jun 1919
Brown Mona K Davies Prescot 8b 1143

Her death

Catherine
Last name Brown
Gender Female
Birth day 12
Birth month 4
Birth year 1891
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1973
District Widnes
County Lancashire
Volume 10F
Page 2348
Country England

And Edwin probably .based on where they were living in 1939

Edwin
Last name Brown
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1890
Age 70
Death quarter 4
Death year 1960
District St. Helens
County Lancashire
Volume 10F
Page 459
Country England