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6 Oct 2018 01:27 |
Going back to Henry's wives, Elizabeth was the daur of William Howard Hodgson, according to the 1838 marriage register, and born c1816 Walthamstow Essex according to census 1851.
This looks like her baptism:
Name Elizabeth Hodgson Gender Female Christening Date 21 Aug 1814 Christening Date (Original) 21 AUG 1814 Christening Place St Mary's, Walthamstow, Essex, England Father's Name William Howard Hodgson Mother's Name Sarah
There is also a daur named Sarah, who could be the Sarah Hodgson Henry Baughan married in 1831 ( in which case he should not have married Elizabeth in 1838, as it was illegal at the time to marry your deceased wife's sister).
Name Sarah Hodgson Residence Place Walthamstow, Essex, England Gender Female Christening Date 02 Sep 1810 Christening Date (Original) 02 Sep 1810 Christening Place St. Mary's, Walthamstow, Essex, England Birthplace St. Marys, Walthamstow, Essex, England Birth Date 06 Aug 1810 Father's Name William Howard Hodgson Mother's Name Sarah
Other children born to the couple:
Name James Hodgson Residence Place Walthamstow, Essex, England Gender Male Christening Date 25 Aug 1807 Christening Date (Original) 25 Aug 1807 Christening Place St. Mary's, Walthamstow, Essex, England Birthplace St. Marys, Walthamstow, Essex, England Birth Date 16 Jul 1807 Father's Name William Howard Hodgson Mother's Name Sarah
Name Henry Hodgson Residence Place Walthamstow, Essex, England Gender Male Christening Date 29 Jan 1809 Christening Date (Original) 29 Jan 1809 Christening Place St. Mary's, Walthamstow, Essex, England Birthplace St. Marys, Walthamstow, Essex, England Birth Date 19 Dec 1808 Father's Name William Howard Hodgson Mother's Name Sarah
Name Mary Ann Residence Place Walthamstow, Essex, England Gender Female Christening Date 1812 Christening Date (Original) 01 NOV 1812 Christening Place ST. MARYS, WALTHAMSTOW, ESSEX, ENGLAND Birth Date 1812 Father's Name William Howard Hudgson Mother's Name Sarah
Name *Sophia Hodgson Gender Female Christening Date 31 Mar 1816 Christening Date (Original) 31 MAR 1816 Christening Place St Mary's, Walthamstow, Essex, England Father's Name William Howard Hodgson Mother's Name Sarah
*Possibly witness at sister Elizabeth's wedding in 1838
Name Caroline Hodgson Gender Female Christening Date 28 Dec 1817 Christening Date (Original) 28 DEC 1817 Christening Place St Mary's, Walthamstow, Essex, England Father's Name William Howard Hodgson Mother's Name Sarah
Name Amelia Eleanor Hodgson Gender Female Christening Date 23 Jan 1820 Christening Date (Original) 23 JAN 1820 Christening Place St Mary's, Walthamstow, Essex, England Father's Name William Howard Hodgson Mother's Name Sarah
Name William Hodgson Residence Place Walthamstow, Essex, England Gender Male Christening Date 02 Jun 1822 Christening Date (Original) 02 Jun 1822 Christening Place St. Mary's, Walthamstow, Essex, England Father's Name William Howard Hodgson Mother's Name Sarah
Name William Hodgson Residence Place Walthamstow, Essex, England Gender Male Christening Date 31 Aug 1825 Christening Date (Original) 31 Aug 1825 Christening Place St. Mary's, Walthamstow, Essex, England Father's Name William Howard Hodgson Mother's Name Sarah
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5 Oct 2018 23:43 |
This man died in 1846,,,,,,also a wheelwright.
Baughan James 1771 — 1841 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Charlbury, Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire, England.
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5 Oct 2018 22:57 |
Looking at what Ancestry says about Baughan as a family name:
"The most Baughan families were found in the UK in 1891. In 1891 there were 116 Baughan families living in Oxfordshire. This was about 26% of all the recorded Baughan's in the UK. Oxfordshire had the highest population of Baughan families in 1891."
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"In 1881, the most common Baughan occupation in the UK was Agricultural Labourer. 6% of Baughan's were Agricultural Labourers. Agricultural Labourer, Carpenter and Wheelwright were the top 3 reported jobs worked by Baughan. A less common occupation for the Baughan family was Baker."
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5 Oct 2018 21:43 |
the formation of the line to Oxford, has a number of hand* employed in forwarding his contract. The Drunkard Punished. —Henry Baughan.wheelwright, of Bicester, was on Monday last committed to prison for one month, for breaking a window at the residence 31 August 1850 - Oxford Chronicle and Reading Gazette - Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.
place the goods will be removed for convenience of sale), on Monday, the 29th day of September, 1873, by direction of Mr. Henry Baughan, wheelwright, itc. Sale to commence at 2 o'clock precisely. Catalogues may be obtained on the premises, or:at the office 17 September 1873 - Oxfordshire Weekly News - Chipping Norton, Oxfo Doc True (purchased) MARRIAGES. MARRIAGES. of Mr. Stephen Evans, of the same place. Dec. 20, at St. George’s, Hanover Square, London, by the Rev. M. Pinhorn, Mr. Henry Baughan, of Shenmore, Madlcy, Herefordshire, to Miss Amelia Rideout, of Maiden Hill, Clapham, near London. Dec. 20, at Newent,
Cheltenham Mercury,1857 14July, Deaths. at 2 Knapp Place of consumption aged 7 months Mary Ann daughter of James Boughan a coach painter.
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5 Oct 2018 18:52 |
I'm wondering if Elizabeth Hodgson, Susannah C Baughan, and Charlotte Baughan are all the same woman going by different forenames.
In 1851 Elizabeth is born c1816 at Walthamstow, Essex.
Name: Elizabeth Baughan Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Henry Baughan Gender: Female Where born: Walthamstow, Essex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
(Incidently her widowed father William H. Hodgson is also one of several families residing at 30 Grosvenor Mews. He is aged 71, and born Enfield, Middlesex, a master wheelwright.
he dies a couple of years after the census:
HODGSON, WILLIAM HOWARD 73 GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 123
and his baptism?
Name: Wm Howard Hodgson Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 26 Jan 1780 Baptism Place: St Andrew, Enfield, Middlesex, England Father: John Hodgson Mother: Sarah Hodgson )
Maddie has Charlotte Baughan on the 1871 census as born c1815 Walthamstow, Essex, and in 1871 Susannah C is also born c1816, Essex.
Name: Susannah C Banghen [Susannah C Bangham] [Susannah C Baughan] Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Henry Banghen Gender: Female Where born: Essex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: Hanover Square
I definitely think Susannah C Baughan and Charlotte Baughan are the same woman, as I intimated previously, but now I think that woman is also the 'Elizabeth' that Henry married in 1838.
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5 Oct 2018 16:40 |
Not sure if it's been posted or not, but in the 1841 census, Elizabeth Baughan and firstborn daur Emma are staying with her parents William and Elizabeth Hodgson at Grosvenor Mews.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Grosvenor Mews, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex, England
William Hodgson Male 60 1781 - Elizabeth Hodgson Female 45 1796 - Sophia Hodgson Female 25 1816 - William Hodgson Male 15 1826 - Jane Jones Female 14 1827 Middlesex, England Elizabeth Baughan Female 25 1816 - Emma Baughan Female 2 1839 Middlesex, England
there are various others also listed, but no sure if they are same household.
EDIT Sophia Hodgson may be the witness at Elizabeth's 1838 wedding?
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5 Oct 2018 16:31 |
Incidently the probate for Henry mentioned earlier shows the sole executrix to be Elizabeth Hodgson, spinster of 24 Bourdon street (also the abode and place of Death for Henry) who proved the will.
So no obvious clues there about any further wives.
You could buy a copy of the will for £10...?
https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate
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5 Oct 2018 16:25 |
Looks good Erika, and that fact that father Henry is a wheelwright helps confirm the likeliness the 1831 marriage is correct.
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5 Oct 2018 16:21 |
A child of the 1831 marriage ?
Name: Henry Baughan Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 7 Aug 1832 Baptism Place: St George Hanover Square, Westminster, England Father: Henry Baughan*****Occ: Wheelwright Mother: Sarah Baughan
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5 Oct 2018 16:18 |
Susannah C Baughan and Charlotte Baughan might be one and the same if 'C' stood for Charlotte and she was sometimes known by her middle name?
No joy on remarriages though.
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5 Oct 2018 16:17 |
Out of area, but could this possibly be the first wife's death?
BAUGHAN, SARAH 27 GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03 Page 19
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5 Oct 2018 16:08 |
The 1838 marriage:
Name: Henry Baughan Gender: Male Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 27 Mar 1838 Marriage Place: St Andrew Holborn, City of London, England Father: Thomas Baughan Spouse: Elizabeth Hodgson Register Type: Parish Register
Henry is already a widower, a coach wheelwright, of full age, of 30 Grosvenor Mews, father Thomas Baughan, also a coach wheelwright.
Elizabeth is a spinster of full age, address same as her groom, father William Howard Hodgson is a wheelwright.
Witnesses James Hodgson and Sophia ? [possibly also Hodgson]
Interesting.....could this be the first marriage, to a relative, or even sister, of his second wife? This would actually have been illegal in 1838, to marry your deceased wife's sister....
Name: Henry Baughan Gender: Male Record Type: Banns (Bann) Marriage Banns Date: 5 Jul 1831 Marriage Banns Place: St Andrew Holborn, City of London, England Spouse: Sarah Hodgson Register Type: Parish Register
Too early for details of father's names or occupations. Same place of marriage as in 1838 .
Witnesses Samuel Randall and Elizth Hodgson.
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4 Oct 2018 14:56 |
This may be the death of the Charlotte on the 1861 census
Deaths Mar 1897 (>99%) Baughan Charlotte 72 St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 292
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4 Oct 2018 14:26 |
couldn't find any marraiges either, unless the ennumerator made a mistake
sorry :-(
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4 Oct 2018 14:13 |
I'm a little confused by Henry's wives. He marries Elizabeth Hodgson in 1838 and she is clearly the mother of his children but who are Charlotte Baughan (b Walthamstow 1815) in the 1861 census and Susannah E Baughan (1816 Essex) in the 1871 census. I can't find the relevant deaths or marriages.
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4 Oct 2018 13:46 |
BAUGHAN, WILLIAM HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE BAUGHAN, SOPHIA HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01 Page 27 BAUGHAN, EDWIN HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01 Page 26 Order BAUGHAN, HENRY HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE BAUGHAN, EMMA HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01 Page 19 BAUGHAN, WILLIAM HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01 Page 35 BAUGHAN, THOMAS HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 169 BAUGHAN, ELIZABETH HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 166
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4 Oct 2018 13:07 |
First name(s) James Last name Baughan Birth year 1857 Birth date 22 Feb 1857 Baptism year 1857 Baptism date 22 Mar 1857 Father's first name(s) Henry Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Parish St George, Hanover Square County Middlesex Country England Page 111 Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre Record set Westminster Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain
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4 Oct 2018 13:05 |
Thankyou all so much. I really appreciate the work you do. Thanks again.
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4 Oct 2018 12:29 |
Name: Henry Baughan Gender: Male Marital Status: Widowed Marriage Date: 27 Mar 1838 Marriage Place: St Andrew Parish, Holborn, London, Middlesex, England Father: Thomas Baughan Spouse: Elizabeth Hodgson FHL Film Number: 374372 Reference ID: v 8 p 121
Henry Baughan
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Henry Baughan Death Date: 25 May 1885 Death Place: Middlesex, England Probate Date: 26 Jun 1885 Registry: Principal Registry
a wheelright
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4 Oct 2018 12:17 |
1939 Name: James Baughan Gender: Male Marital Status: Widowed Birth Date: 22 Feb 1857 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 41 Debdin House Residence Place: Paddington, London, England Occupation: Sign Writer Retired Schedule Number: 41 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: APCL Registration district: 1 1 42B. Household Members: Name James Baughan Winifred James
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