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4 Oct 2018 11:53 |
James Baughan married Mary Ann Clark in Maryleboe in 1881. On his marriage certificate he gives his father as Henry Baughan (Wheelwright). Although I have found him in later censuses I can't find him pre 1891.
The following may be his siblings:- All born St George Hanover Square Emma Baughan (1839), Edwin (1840), Sophia Baughan (1843), Susannah (1844), William (1847) Sarah (1849), Thomas (1852), Elizabeth (1854).
Can anyone help to find the family in the censuses.
Thanks in anticipation
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4 Oct 2018 12:02 |
1891 for our info -
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Dorset Street, St Marylebone, Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Baughan Head Married Male 34 1857 Writer And Decorator London, Middlesex, England Mary Ann Baughan Wife Married Female 34 1857 - London, Middlesex, England Alfred J W Baughan Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Marylebone, Middlesex, England Thomas W Baughan Son - Male 3 1888 Scholar London, Middlesex, England Peter Baughan Son - Male 0 1891 - London, Middlesex, England Edith B Spiers Niece Single Female 16 1875 - Essex, England
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4 Oct 2018 12:11 |
THOMAS Last name BAUGHAN Birth year 1852 Birth quarter 3 Registration month - Mother's maiden name Hodgson District St. George Hanover Square County London Country England Volume 1A Page 169
1861 henry a wheelwright
Name: Henry Bungham [Henry Bangham] [Henry Baughan] Age: 58 Estimated Birth Year: 1803 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Charlotte Bungham Gender: Male Where born: Devon, England Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square Ecclesiastical parish: St George Hanover Square County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: Hanover Square ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 153 Piece: 42 Folio: 120 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Henry Bungham 58 Charlotte Bungham 46 Emma Bungham 22 Sophia Bungham 18 Susannah Bungham 16 William Bungham 14 Sarah Bungham 11 Thomas Bungham 8 Elizabeth Bungham 6 James Bungham 4
1871 Name: Henry Banghen [Henry Bangham] [Henry Baughan] Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Susannah C Banghen Gender: Male Where born: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: Hanover Square ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Household schedule number: 23 Piece: 97 Folio: 24 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Henry Banghen 60 Susannah C Banghen 55 Susannah Banghen 25 Sarah Banghen 21 Thomas Banghen 18 Elizabeth Banghen 16
1851 Name: Henry Baughan Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Baughan Gender: Male Where born: Fewcott, Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: Hanover Square ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 164 Piece: 1475 Folio: 492 Page Number: 38 Household Members: Name Age Henry Baughan 48 Elizabeth Baughan 35 Emma Baughan 12 Sophia Baughan 8 Susan Baughan 6 Sarah Baughan 2 William Baughan 4 Eliza Williams 15
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
30, Grosvenor Mews, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex, England Henry Bingham Head Married Male 58 1803 Coach Wheel Wright Devon, England Charlotte Bingham Wife Married Female 46 1815 - Walthamstow, Essex, England Emma Bingham Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1839 Dressmaker St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England Sophia Bingham Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1843 Dressmaker St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England Susannah Bingham Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 Dressmaker Apprentice St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England William Bingham Son - Male 14 1847 Waiter Apprentice St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England Sarah Bingham Daughter - Female 11 1850 Scholar St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England Thomas Bingham Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Bingham Daughter - Female 6 1855 Scholar St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England James Bingham Son - Male 4 1857 - St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England
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greyghost
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4 Oct 2018 12:14 |
From original marriage certificate
Married St Mary's, Marylebone 16.7.1881 Both aged 24 so born c 1857. Both signed
James is a Sign Writer of Shouldham Street. A Bachelor Mary Ann Rebecca Clark is a Dressmaker of Molyneux Street. Father Ellis Clark deceased. A Coachman.
Witnesses - William ?Graner and Elizabeth Baughan
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Maddie
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4 Oct 2018 12:17 |
1939 Name: James Baughan Gender: Male Marital Status: Widowed Birth Date: 22 Feb 1857 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 41 Debdin House Residence Place: Paddington, London, England Occupation: Sign Writer Retired Schedule Number: 41 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: APCL Registration district: 1 1 42B. Household Members: Name James Baughan Winifred James
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Maddie
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4 Oct 2018 12:29 |
Name: Henry Baughan Gender: Male Marital Status: Widowed Marriage Date: 27 Mar 1838 Marriage Place: St Andrew Parish, Holborn, London, Middlesex, England Father: Thomas Baughan Spouse: Elizabeth Hodgson FHL Film Number: 374372 Reference ID: v 8 p 121
Henry Baughan
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Henry Baughan Death Date: 25 May 1885 Death Place: Middlesex, England Probate Date: 26 Jun 1885 Registry: Principal Registry
a wheelright
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Richard
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4 Oct 2018 13:05 |
Thankyou all so much. I really appreciate the work you do. Thanks again.
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safc
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4 Oct 2018 13:07 |
First name(s) James Last name Baughan Birth year 1857 Birth date 22 Feb 1857 Baptism year 1857 Baptism date 22 Mar 1857 Father's first name(s) Henry Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Parish St George, Hanover Square County Middlesex Country England Page 111 Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre Record set Westminster Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain
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4 Oct 2018 13:46 |
BAUGHAN, WILLIAM HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE BAUGHAN, SOPHIA HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01 Page 27 BAUGHAN, EDWIN HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01 Page 26 Order BAUGHAN, HENRY HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE BAUGHAN, EMMA HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01 Page 19 BAUGHAN, WILLIAM HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01 Page 35 BAUGHAN, THOMAS HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 169 BAUGHAN, ELIZABETH HODGSON Order GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 166
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Richard
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4 Oct 2018 14:13 |
I'm a little confused by Henry's wives. He marries Elizabeth Hodgson in 1838 and she is clearly the mother of his children but who are Charlotte Baughan (b Walthamstow 1815) in the 1861 census and Susannah E Baughan (1816 Essex) in the 1871 census. I can't find the relevant deaths or marriages.
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Maddie
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4 Oct 2018 14:26 |
couldn't find any marraiges either, unless the ennumerator made a mistake
sorry :-(
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4 Oct 2018 14:56 |
This may be the death of the Charlotte on the 1861 census
Deaths Mar 1897 (>99%) Baughan Charlotte 72 St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 292
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Kucinta
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5 Oct 2018 16:08 |
The 1838 marriage:
Name: Henry Baughan Gender: Male Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 27 Mar 1838 Marriage Place: St Andrew Holborn, City of London, England Father: Thomas Baughan Spouse: Elizabeth Hodgson Register Type: Parish Register
Henry is already a widower, a coach wheelwright, of full age, of 30 Grosvenor Mews, father Thomas Baughan, also a coach wheelwright.
Elizabeth is a spinster of full age, address same as her groom, father William Howard Hodgson is a wheelwright.
Witnesses James Hodgson and Sophia ? [possibly also Hodgson]
Interesting.....could this be the first marriage, to a relative, or even sister, of his second wife? This would actually have been illegal in 1838, to marry your deceased wife's sister....
Name: Henry Baughan Gender: Male Record Type: Banns (Bann) Marriage Banns Date: 5 Jul 1831 Marriage Banns Place: St Andrew Holborn, City of London, England Spouse: Sarah Hodgson Register Type: Parish Register
Too early for details of father's names or occupations. Same place of marriage as in 1838 .
Witnesses Samuel Randall and Elizth Hodgson.
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ErikaH
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5 Oct 2018 16:17 |
Out of area, but could this possibly be the first wife's death?
BAUGHAN, SARAH 27 GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03 Page 19
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Kucinta
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5 Oct 2018 16:18 |
Susannah C Baughan and Charlotte Baughan might be one and the same if 'C' stood for Charlotte and she was sometimes known by her middle name?
No joy on remarriages though.
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ErikaH
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5 Oct 2018 16:21 |
A child of the 1831 marriage ?
Name: Henry Baughan Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 7 Aug 1832 Baptism Place: St George Hanover Square, Westminster, England Father: Henry Baughan*****Occ: Wheelwright Mother: Sarah Baughan
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Kucinta
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5 Oct 2018 16:25 |
Looks good Erika, and that fact that father Henry is a wheelwright helps confirm the likeliness the 1831 marriage is correct.
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5 Oct 2018 16:31 |
Incidently the probate for Henry mentioned earlier shows the sole executrix to be Elizabeth Hodgson, spinster of 24 Bourdon street (also the abode and place of Death for Henry) who proved the will.
So no obvious clues there about any further wives.
You could buy a copy of the will for £10...?
https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate
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Kucinta
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5 Oct 2018 16:40 |
Not sure if it's been posted or not, but in the 1841 census, Elizabeth Baughan and firstborn daur Emma are staying with her parents William and Elizabeth Hodgson at Grosvenor Mews.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Grosvenor Mews, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex, England
William Hodgson Male 60 1781 - Elizabeth Hodgson Female 45 1796 - Sophia Hodgson Female 25 1816 - William Hodgson Male 15 1826 - Jane Jones Female 14 1827 Middlesex, England Elizabeth Baughan Female 25 1816 - Emma Baughan Female 2 1839 Middlesex, England
there are various others also listed, but no sure if they are same household.
EDIT Sophia Hodgson may be the witness at Elizabeth's 1838 wedding?
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Kucinta
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5 Oct 2018 18:52 |
I'm wondering if Elizabeth Hodgson, Susannah C Baughan, and Charlotte Baughan are all the same woman going by different forenames.
In 1851 Elizabeth is born c1816 at Walthamstow, Essex.
Name: Elizabeth Baughan Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Henry Baughan Gender: Female Where born: Walthamstow, Essex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
(Incidently her widowed father William H. Hodgson is also one of several families residing at 30 Grosvenor Mews. He is aged 71, and born Enfield, Middlesex, a master wheelwright.
he dies a couple of years after the census:
HODGSON, WILLIAM HOWARD 73 GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 123
and his baptism?
Name: Wm Howard Hodgson Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 26 Jan 1780 Baptism Place: St Andrew, Enfield, Middlesex, England Father: John Hodgson Mother: Sarah Hodgson )
Maddie has Charlotte Baughan on the 1871 census as born c1815 Walthamstow, Essex, and in 1871 Susannah C is also born c1816, Essex.
Name: Susannah C Banghen [Susannah C Bangham] [Susannah C Baughan] Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Henry Banghen Gender: Female Where born: Essex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: Hanover Square
I definitely think Susannah C Baughan and Charlotte Baughan are the same woman, as I intimated previously, but now I think that woman is also the 'Elizabeth' that Henry married in 1838.
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