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Agnes Lemon, born c1885-1888

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2018 12:26

Many thanks to you all.

Agnes Lemon was a mystery, but thanks to you all, especially AQ who first spotted the family in spite of different names, I've learned far more about her than I ever thought I would!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2018 12:22

Maybe John. There's an Anderson in the same household, if the transcription is correct:


John Cowan
in the 1841 Scotland Census
Name: John Cowan
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Selkirkshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Yarrow
County: Selkirkshire
Address: Kirk House
Parish Number: 779
Household Members:
Name Age
Jame Betosel 15
John Cowan 5
James Anderson 23
Helen Dalgliesh 13
Walter Tait 49
Isabella Tait 45
Janet Tait 15
James Tait 10
Thos Kiene 2

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2018 12:18

Thanks, RG.

This could be George & Jessie's marriage:

ANDERSON
GEORGE
JESSIE BROWN/FR205 (FR205)
15/04/1814
774/
10 263
Ettrick

I wonder where Agnes & John's son John was in 1841 & 1851 - born 1836, eh should have been with his parents at least in 1841. He does appear in 1861 and later censuses.
(Unless Ancestry's transcriptions are at fault, which is highly possible.)

Agnes Cowan
in the 1841 Scotland Census
Name: Agnes Cowan
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Peebles
County: Peeblesshire
Address: Haystowne Stables Newby
Parish Number: 768
Household Members:
Name Age
John Cowan 25
Agnes Cowan 25
George Cowan 3
Jane F Cowan 2
James Cowan 3 Mo

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Sep 2018 00:33

Looked at that death registered by son John of Parkhead, Glasgow. Father George a shepherd mother Jessie (??) ms Brown.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2018 00:31

Agness Cowan
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: Agness Cowan
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relationship: Wife
Spouse: John Cowan
Gender: Female
Where born: Etrick, selkirkshire
Parish Number: 760
Civil Parish: Eddleston
County: Peeblesshire
Address: West Loch
ED: 3
Page: 8
Household schedule number: 23
LINE: 5
Roll: CSSCT1851_198
Household Members:
Name Age
John Cowan 37
Agness Cowan 36
Jane Cowan 11
James Cowan 10
Jessie Cowan 8
Margaret Cowan 5
Robert Cowan 1

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2018 00:18

Some siblings of Catherine:

COWAN
GEORGE
JOHN COWAN/AGNES ANDERSON FR629 724 (FR724)
M
15/06/1837
779/
30 174
Yarrow

COWAN
JOHN
JOHN COWAN/AGNES ANDERSON FR624 719 (FR624)
M
03/01/1836
779/
30 350
Yarrow


COWAN
ROBERT
JOHN COWAN/AGNES ANDERSON FR505 (FR505)
M
11/12/1849
760/
30 86
Eddleston

COWAN
JEAN FERGUSON
JOHN COWAN/AGNES ANDERSON FR631 726 (FR631)
F
08/05/1839
779/
30 364
Yarrow


COWAN
MARGARET
JOHN COWAN/AGNES ANDERSON FR505 (FR505)
F
30/04/1845
760/
30 86
Eddleston

COWAN
JANE
JOHN COWAN/AGNES ANDERSON FR695 (FR695)
F
17/05/1839
781/
40 60
Ashkirk

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Sep 2018 00:14

Exciting ArgyllGran, here's Catherine's mother's death. Maybe find where the Prenderleith comes from :-)


Surname Forename Age at death Mother's Maiden Name Year Ref RD Name Image View
COWAN
AGNES
78
1893
768/ 84
Peebles
View image (6 credits)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2018 00:11

Without using more credits, probably her parents' marriage - though still no sign of Catherine's birth:

COWAN
JOHN
AGNES ANDERSON/FR562 (FR562)
01/06/1835
779/
30 42
Yarrow

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2018 00:06


Catherine Cowan
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Catherine Cowan
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relationship: Daughter
Mother's name: Agnes Cowan
Gender: Female
Where born: Temple, Midlothian
Registration Number: 760
Registration district: Eddleston
Civil Parish: Eddleston
County: Peeblesshire
Address: Cringletie
Occupation: Dairymaid
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 16
LINE: 18
Roll: CSSCT1871_176
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Cowan 56 - born in Selkirk - shepherd's widow
Margt Cowan 25
Catherine Cowan 19
Jane Cowan 11

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Sep 2018 00:02


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Burnfoot Cottage, Eddleston, Peeblesshire, Scotland

Agnes Cowan Head Widow Female 46 1815 - Ettrick, Selkirkshire, Scotland
John Cowan Son Unmarried Male 25 1836 Ag Labourer Selkirkshire, Scotland
Margaret Cowan Daughter - Female 15 1846 Scholar Peeblesshire, Scotland
Catherine Cowan Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Temple, Midlothian, Scotland
Mary Cowan Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Temple, Midlothian, Scotland
Agnes Cowan's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 29 Sep 2018 23:51

Oops! Didn't refresh, so ignore the above :-)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 29 Sep 2018 23:49

?????

Glasses ton/ Mochrum /Kirkinner are all close by. (my ancestors came from that area)


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
33, Kirkinner, Wigtownshire, Scotland

James Cowan Head Married Male 38 1813 Plantation Lab Ag L Kirkinner, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Elizabeth Cowan Wife Married Female 39 1812 - Whithorn, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Catherine Cowan Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1836 Employed At Home Ballantrae, Ayrshire, Scotland
Andrew Cowan Son - Male 13 1838 Scholar Kirkinner, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Charles B Cowan Son - Male 11 1840 Scholar Kirkinner, Wigtownshire, Scotland
James Cowan Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Kirkinner, Wigtownshire, Scotland
John Cowan Son - Male 6 1845 Scholar Kirkinner, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Thomas Cowan Son - Male 3 1848 - Kirkinner, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Robert K Cowan Son - Male 1 1850 - Kirkinner, Wigtownshire, Scotland

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Sep 2018 23:45

Thanks, AQ.

Hugh is stated to be deceased, on Samuel's death cert.

On Catherine's death cert, it gives her parents as John Cowan, toll-keeper, deceased, and Agnes Cowan, ms Anderson, deceased.
Which explains young Agnes's name.

But it also says "Married to Hugh Lemon, coachman" - not "Widow of . . "

She died at the Lorn Combination Poorhouse, Oban.
The informant was the governor of the poorhouse. Maybe he didn't know Hugh had died (if he had!)

Poor Agnes, losing her husband and her mother in the same week - though she wouldn't have know that until late, when she got word from the Army.
Catherine died 6th May 1916, and George died 11th May 1916 .

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 29 Sep 2018 23:21

Sorry, was away last night- off to bed but did spot this- I don't have access to newspapers (I think there could also be snippets re Samuel).

Published: Thursday 15 July 1875
Newspaper: Southern Reporter
MARRIAGES
At High Street, Peebles, on the 6th inst, Hugh Lemon, to Catherine, fourth daughter of the late John Cowan

I have seen Catherine and Kathleen used for the same person in other families.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 29 Sep 2018 23:20

My pleasure ArgyllGran. At least you know now that Agnes's father was Hugh not Daniel.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Sep 2018 23:14

Ooh! Interesting, RG!

I had wondered about that death for Catherine, just because it's Argyll, but hadn't looked at the image, and stupidly hadn't looked for her as Cowan.

Many thanks for using your credits - but don't worry about sending the image of Samuel's death - I'll have a look myself.

The Duror address certainly proves it's the right family.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 29 Sep 2018 23:04

Catherine's death

COWAN
CATHERINE
68
1916
523/ 56
Kilmore and Kilbride
View image (6 credits)
LEMON
CATHERINE
68
1916
523/ 56
Kilmore and Kilbride
View image (6 credits)


Haven't worked out how to get the image of Samuel's death to you. Not too clever with iPad lol :-)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 29 Sep 2018 22:43

Hope this helps ArgyllGran.

This is Samuel's death and the informant was his mother. Her address is Railway Cottages, Druror!

Will try to Pm you the image :-)


LEMON
SAMUEL
34
1914
644/13 221
Kelvin
View image (paid)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Sep 2018 13:26

Ancestry's version of the 1891 census showing Hugh in Edinburgh, gives his birthplace as Port William, which matches 1881. Ancestry's transcription doesn't say he's a widower, but I haven't looked at the image.

Port William is about 6 or 7 miles from Glasserton, so the 1861 and 1871 census posted will be the right ones


Re 1891 in Edinburgh, though - there's a Hugh Lemon, coachman, on Glasgow ER's 1884-1895

The family AQ found, and we've been following, seems to be the best bet.

It does leave a lot of unanswered questions - can't find births or deaths for either Hugh/Daniel or Catherine/Kathleen, nor any sign of them after 1891.

I can accept that Agnes chopped 10 years off her age, so as not to be older than George (born 1882), but the names Daniel and Kathleen instead of Hugh and Catherine are a stumbling block.

However, I don't suppose we'll find the exact truth!
Many thanks for all your help.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 Sep 2018 19:48

I think probably not that one, safc.

Agnes and George married in the Church of Scotland.