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9 Oct 2018 12:13 |
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7W2-HXX Name: George Mcalpine Gender: Male Birth Date: 30 May 1856 Birthplace: LINLITHGOW,WEST LOTHIAN,SCOTLAND Father's Name: John Mcalpine Mother's Name: Margaret Hall Document Information: Indexing Project (Batch) Number C11668-1 System Origin Scotland-ODM GS Film number 6035516
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ8X-GMD Name: Cecilia Mcalpine Gender: Female Birth Date: 14 Oct 1858 Birthplace: LINLITHGOW,WEST LOTHIAN,SCOTLAND Father's Name: John Mcalpine Mother's Name: Margaret Hall Indexing Project (Batch) Number C11668-1 System Origin Scotland-ODM GS Film number 6035516
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7W2-JSM Name: John Mcalpine Gender: Male Birth Date: 16 Jan 1862 Birthplace: LINLITHGOW,WEST LOTHIAN,SCOTLAND Father's Name: John Mcalpine Mother's Name: Margaret Anne Hall Indexing Project (Batch) Number C11668-1 System Origin Scotland-ODM GS Film number 6035516
NB Batch numbers of the form C11pppn where n=1 or 3 and ppp is the parish number are births taken from the GROS index. Similarly, marriages with batch numbers of form M11pppn. FS only transcribed 1855 thru 1875-ish from the GROS index
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29 Sep 2018 09:32 |
Having looked at Cecelia's birth, I now think that 1841 census is a mistranscription of her name. Not sure how you could make Isabella out of Cecelia but maybe the original is a bit feint.
First name(s) Cecilia Last name Liddel Gender Female Birth year 1809 Birth place - Baptism year 1809 Baptism date 01 Oct 1809 Baptism place LINLITHGOW, WEST LOTHIAN, SCOTLAND Father's first name(s) Thomas Father's last name Liddel Mother's first name(s) Marion Mother's last name Murray Residence Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland Place Linlithgow County Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) Country Scotland Record set Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from Scotland, Great Britain Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl
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28 Sep 2018 21:35 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census High Street, Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Cicilia McAlpine Head Widow Female 51 1810 - Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland George McAlpine Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 Shoemaker Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland Margaret McAlpine Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1843 - Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland William McAlpine Son - Male 16 1845 Shoemaker Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland Frances McAlpine Son - Male 13 1848 Shoemaker (Ap) Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland George Watt Grand Son - Male 6 1855 - Bo'Ness, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
I still suspect that father George married twice.
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28 Sep 2018 16:02 |
?????????? 1871 8, Scotia Street, St George Glasgow, Blythswood, Lanarkshire, Scotlan Duncan McAlpine Head Widower Male 79 1792 Accountant Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland John McAlpine Son Married Male 40 1831 Preacher Free Church Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland James Blair Grand Son - Male 12 1859 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Anne M McAlpine Daughter Unmarried Female 42 1829 Housekeeper Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Jessie Blair Grand Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1857 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1861 Renfrew Street, Barony, Blythswood, Lanarkshire, Scotland Duncan McAlpine Head Married Male 68 1793 Quarter Master Army Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Jessie McAlpine Wife Married Female 67 1794 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Ann McAlpine Daughter Unmarried Female 31 1830 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland John McAlpine Son Unmarried Male 29 1832 Student & Teacher Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Jessy Blain Grand Daughter Unmarried Female 4 1857 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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28 Sep 2018 15:11 |
rootgather the marion in the census you just posted married in the same place as john mcaline to grace thomspn
Marion Mcalpine Gender: Female Marriage Date: 2 Dec 1853 Marriage Place: Bo'Ness,West Lothian,Scotland Spouse: Robert Watt FHL Film Number: 1066614, 1066626
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28 Sep 2018 14:40 |
Just as a matter of interest, do you know for sure that Cecelia was his mother? Was George married before?
1841 Census
Piece: SCT1841/668 Place: Linlithgow -West Lothian Enumeration District: 3 Civil Parish: Linlithgow Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Linlithgow Folio: 0 Page: 13 Address: High Street
MCALPINE George M 25 Tailor Journeyman West Lothian MCALPINE Isabella F 25 West Lothian MCALPINE John M 10 West Lothian MCALPINE Marion F 7 West Lothian MCALPINE Thomas M 5 West Lothian MCALPINE George M 2 West Lothian
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ErikaH
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28 Sep 2018 13:32 |
How did you work back to the John who married Margaret?
Do you know for certain that these people are connected to you?
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28 Sep 2018 13:27 |
Name: Annie Mcnaughton Mcalpine Gender: Female Birth Date: 24 Jul 1869 Birth Place: Dundee,Angus,Scotland Father: John Mcalpine Mother: Grace Thomson FHL Film Number: 6035516
Name: Annie Mcnaughton McAlpine Age: 28 Birth Year: abt 1870 Birth Place: Scotland Marriage Date: 8 Jun 1898 Marriage Place: York, Ontario, Canada Father: John McAlpine Mother: Grace S Thomson McAlpine Spouse: James Francis Whitson
Name: Annie Whitson Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Age: 30 Birth Day & Month: 24 Jul Birth Year: 1870 Birthplace: Scotland Relation to Head of House: Wife Immigration Year: 1872 Racial or Tribal Origin: Scotch (Scotish) Nationality: Canadian Religion: Presbyterian Province: Ontario District: Toronto (west/ouest) (city/cité) District Number: 118 Sub-District: Toronto (West/Ouest) (City/Cité) Ward/Quartier No 5 Sub-District Number: C-35 Neighbors: Household Members: Name Age James F Whitson 36 Annie Whitson 30 Janet M Whitson 2/12
Name: Annie Whitson Maiden Name: McAlpine Death Date: 27 Nov 1954 Cemetery: Mount Pleasant Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada Has Bio?: N Spouse: James F Whitson URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
Name: James F Whitson Birth Date: 1868 Birth Place: Sudbury, Sudbury District, Ontario, Canada Death Date: 12 Jun 1920 Death Place: Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada Cemetery: Mount Pleasant Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada Has Bio?: N Spouse: Annie Whitson URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
Name: James F Whitson Gender: Male Age: 56 Birth Date: abt 1864 Birth Place: Near Collingwood On Farm Death Date: 12 Jun 1920 Death Place: Sudbury, Ontario, Canada Cause of Death: Cardiac Failure
1901 James F Whitson Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Age: 36 Birth Day & Month: 31 Jul Birth Year: 1864 Birthplace: Ontario Relation to Head of House: Head Racial or Tribal Origin: Scotch (Scotish) Nationality: Canadian Religion: Presbyterian Occupation: Civil Servant Province: Ontario District: Toronto (west/ouest) (city/cité) District Number: 118 Sub-District: Toronto (West/Ouest) (City/Cité) Ward/Quartier No 5 Sub-District Number: C-35 Neighbors: Household Members: Name Age James F Whitson 36 Annie Whitson 30 Janet M Whitson 2/12
Name Robert McA Whitson Gender Male Age 0 Religion Presbyterian Birth Date abt 1900 Birth Place Toronto, Ontario Death Date 24 Jan 1900 Death Place York, Ontario, Canada Cause of Death Chronic Indigestion Household Members
Name Janet Whitson Goodwin Cemetery Mount Pleasant+, Toronto Burial Place York (incl. Toronto), Ontario, Canada Notes In Loving Memory of John Edward Goodwin 1900 - 1972 Beloved Husband of Janet Whitson 1900 - 1990
Name Duncan D Whitson Death Date 10 Jun 1977 Cemetery Mount Pleasant Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada Has Bio? N URL https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144347525
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ErikaH
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28 Sep 2018 13:25 |
The 1887 death in Tynemouth district is for a man 10 years older
Deaths Mar 1887 (>99%) McAlpine John 65 Tynemouth 10b 170
He is on censuses with wife Mary
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ErikaH
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28 Sep 2018 13:20 |
The Canada deaths and census info are from familysearch - a free site
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Maddie
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28 Sep 2018 13:17 |
son duncan Name: Dr Duncan McAlpine Birth Date: 4 Feb 1868 Birth Place: Scotland Death Date: 3 Jan 1914 Death Place: Ottawa County, Michigan, United States of America Cemetery: Lake Forest Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Grand Haven, Ottawa County, Michigan, United States of America Has Bio?: N URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
Name: Duncan McAlpine Gender: Male Age: 45 Race: White Birth Year: 1868 Death Date: 3 Jan 1914 Death Place: Grand Haven, Ottawa, Michigan, USA Father: John McAlpine Mother: Grace McAlpine
his mother Name: Grace McAlpine Birth Date: 1844 Birth Place: Scotland Death Date: 28 Mar 1924 Cemetery: Mount Pleasant Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada Has Bio?: N Spouse: John McAlpine URL: https://www.findagrave.com
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28 Sep 2018 13:17 |
That is why I try and check them but when you haven't got world wide ancestry you have to rely on people helping which is appreciated and this is why I was looking into my heritage at the moments it's £92 for the year I only paid £76 for ancestry
Thank you
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ErikaH
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28 Sep 2018 12:52 |
Other peoples' trees should not be trusted unless they show proof of their 'findings'
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Sylann
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28 Sep 2018 12:47 |
Thank you for that I think the retired Clergyman did it so it looks as though I was following the right John
Thought it was strange this other tree had 2 john's listed possibly they couldn't make their minds up
Thank you
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alviegal
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28 Sep 2018 12:45 |
Possibly the John and Grace in Canada.
Canada Census 1911
James F Whitson Male 1869 Ontario, Canada Head Anna M Whitson Female 1875 Scotland Wife Janet M Whitson Female 1900 Ontario, Canada Daughter Duncan D Whitson Male 1903 Ontario, Canada Son John McAlpine Male 1831 Scotland Father In Law Grace McAlpine Female 1847 Scotland Mother In Law
Canada Census 1901
John McAlpine Male 1830 clergyman Scotland Head Grace McAlpine Female 1850 Scotland Wife
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28 Sep 2018 12:44 |
Census for the one who died in Ontario
Name John Mcalpine Event Type Census Event Date 31 Mar 1901 Event Place Toronto (west/ouest) (city/cité), Ontario, Canada Gender Male Age 70 Marital Status Married Nationality Canadian Ethnicity Scotch Religion Presbyterian Relationship to Head of Household Head Birth Year (Estimated) 1831 Birthplace Scotland Immigration Year 1872*********************** Page 17
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28 Sep 2018 12:39 |
His wife's death
Name: Margaret McAlpine Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Registration Year: 1885 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 56 Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Inferred County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 90
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28 Sep 2018 12:35 |
This is the John who died in Canada.
Name: John McAlpine Birth Date: 1831 Death Date: 14 Mar 1914 Cemetery: Mount Pleasant Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada Has Bio?: N Spouse: Grace McAlpine URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
EDIT Whoops, wrong date.
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28 Sep 2018 12:32 |
John McAlpine
in the Ontario, Canada, Deaths and Deaths Overseas, 1869-1946 View Ontario, Canada, Deaths and Deaths Overseas, 1869-1946
Name: John McAlpine Gender: Male Age: 83 Birth Date: abt 1831 Birth Place: Scotland Death Date: 24 Feb 1914 Death Place: York, Ontario, Canada Cause of Death: Senile Decay
retired clergyman lived 619 huron street
Name: Jno Mcalpine Age: 83 Birth Year: 1831 Birth Place: Scotland Death Date: 24 Feb 1914 Death Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Burial Date: 26 Feb 1914 Burial Place: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Cemetery Section: 6 68 2 Cemetery: Mount Pleasant Cemetery Ground Property Owner: Grace Mcalpine -------------- Relative Name: G McAlpine Relative Residence Place: 617 Huron St
Name: John McAlpine Gender: Male Arrival Age: 75 Birth Year: abt 1831 Departure Port: Glasgow, Scotland Arrival date: 10 Jul 1906 Arrival Port: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Vessel: Numidian Search Ship Database: Search for the Numidian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
a clergyman
1911 Name: John Mc Alpine Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Race or Tribe: Scotch (Scotish) Age: 79 Birth Date: Oct 1831 Birth Place: Scotland Census Year: 1911 Relation to Head of House: Father-in-law Immigration Year: 1908 Province: Ontario District: Toronto North District Number: 126 Sub-District: 83 - Ward four Sub-District Number: 83 Place of Habitation: 617 Huron St Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James F Whitson 47 Anna M Whitson 35 Jenet M Whitson 10 Duncan D Whitson 8 John Mc Alpine 79 Grace Mc Alpine 63 -------------
1881 John McAlpine Gender Male Age 50y Birth Year 1831 Birthplace Scotland Marital Status Married Occupation Minister Ethnicity Scottish Religion Presb Head of Household Name John Mcalpine Event Place St-Mary's, Perth South, Ontario, Canada District Number 171 Sub-District B Division 1 Family Number 72 Affiliate Film Number C-13270 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace John McAlpine M 50y Scotland Grace McAlpine F 40y Scotland Robert McAlpine M 14y East Indies Duncan McAlpine M 12y Scotland Annie McAlpine F 10y Scotland Citing this Record
"Canada Census, 1881," database with images, FamilySearch
Name: Duncan Mcalpine Gender: Male Birth Date: 4 Feb 1868 Birth Place: Dundee,Angus,Scotland Father: John Mcalpine Mother: Grace Thomson FHL Film Number: 6035516
John Mcalpine Spouse's Name Grace Thomson Event Date 12 Jul 1865 Event Place Bo'Ness,West Lothian,Scotland Citing this Record
"Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910," database, FamilySearch
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28 Sep 2018 12:19 |
So for our info only, this is your John.
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
141, High Street, Linlithgow, West Lothian, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George McAlpine Head Married Male 41 1810 Tailor England Cecilia McAlpine Wife Married Female 41 1810 - Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland John McAlpine Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Journeyman Shoe Maker Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland Thomas McAlpine Son Unmarried Male 15 1836 Journeyman Shoe Maker Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland George McAlpine Son - Male 12 1839 Scholar Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland Margaret McAlpine Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland William McAlpine Son - Male 6 1845 Scholar Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland Francis McAlpine Son - Male 3 1848 - Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland Cecilia McAlpine Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
High Street, Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John McAlpine Head Married Male 27 1834 Shoemaker Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland Margaret McAlpine Wife Married Female 27 1834 - Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland, England Robert McAlpine Son Unmarried Male 7 1854 Scholar Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland, England George McAlpine Son Unmarried Male 4 1857 - Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland Celia McAlpine Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1859 - Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Walkergate Lane, Berwick, Northumberland, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John McAlpine Head - Male 38 1833 - Scotland Margaret McAlpine Wife - Female 40 1831 - Northumberland, England George McAlpine Son - Male 15 1856 - Northumberland, England Celia McAlpine Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Northumberland, England John McAlpine Son - Male 9 1862 - Northumberland, England Thomas McAlpine Son - Male 6 1865 - Northumberland, England William McAlpine Son - Male 4 1867 - Northumberland, England Francis McAlpine Son - Male 0 1871 - Northumberland, England
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
196, Parker Street, Byker, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Mc Calpine Head Married Male 50 1831 Labourer Common Scotland Margaret Mc Calpine Wife Married Female 51 1830 - Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland, England John Mc Calpine Son Single Male 18 1863 Painter Scotland Thomas Mc Calpine Son Single Male 15 1866 Errand Boy Scotland William Mc Calpine Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland, England
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