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Pauline
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24 Sep 2018 18:42 |
Thank you
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Kucinta
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24 Sep 2018 08:53 |
I should add that Harriet Johnson is only a theory, but personally I think Malyon may well have been on to something, especially as she is in the right area, and looking at the 1871 census and the birth record for that child, was probably the mother of at least one illegitimate child.
Unfortunately I can't find any baptisms to corroborate any of this, so you'd need to obtain a copy of the birth cert for Florence, at least, to substantiate this.
It would cost £6 for a pdf copy, or £9.25 for a hard copy of the cert.
You can order online from the GRO:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
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Kucinta
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24 Sep 2018 00:57 |
Burial of the Harriett Johnson that Malyon mentioned speculatively earlier:
First name(s) Harriett Last name Johnson Age 26 Birth year 1853 Death year 1879 Burial year 1879 Burial date 12 Dec 1879 Church Cemetery Denomination Cemetery Place Halesworth County Suffolk Country England Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Burials
In 1861 in Halesworth, Blything?
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Chediston Street, Halesworth, Blything, Suffolk, England
William Johnson Head Married Male 40 1821 Plumber & Painter Harleston, Norfolk, England Elizabeth Johnson Wife Married Female 47 1814 - Halesworth, Suffolk, England William Johnson Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Gentlemans Servant Halesworth, Suffolk, England Charles Johnson Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 - Halesworth, Suffolk, England Harry Johnson Son - Male 11 1850 Scholar Halesworth, Suffolk, England >>>>>Harriet Johnson Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Halesworth, Suffolk, England Alfred Johnson Son - Male 4 1857 - Halesworth, Suffolk, England
and 1871:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Chediston Street, Halesworth, Blything, Suffolk, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Johnson Head - Male 50 1821 - Norfolk, England Elizabeth Johnson Wife - Female 55 1816 - Suffolk, England >>>.Harriett Johnson Daughter - Female 18 1853 - Suffolk, England Alfred Johnson Son - Male 16 1855 - Suffolk, England *****Charles Johnson Grandson - Male 0 1871 - Suffolk, England
***** Grandson Charles appears to be illegitimate, no MMN recorded, was he Harriet's first child?
JOHNSON, CHARLES - GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 720
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23 Sep 2018 23:09 |
this could be emily in 1891
Name: Emily Johnson Event Type: Census Event Date: 1891 County: Norfolk Parish: Diss Ecclesiastical Parish: NORWICH Registration District: Depwade Residence Note: Denmark Street Gender: Female Age: 17 Marital Status: Single Occupation: Housemaid Domestic Servant Relationship to Head of Household: Servant Birth Year (Estimated): 1874 Birthplace: Norfolk, England Thomas P Gostling Head Male 62 Norfolk, England Jeannetta Gostling Wife Female 44 Norfolk, England Elsie Power Niece Female 3 Ceylon British Subject Ellen L Pettengale Servant Female 20 Suffolk, England Emily Johnson Servant Female 17 Norfolk, England
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malyon
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23 Sep 2018 22:56 |
it is a work house they are on the list here is also a emily aged 7
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Blything/Blything1881.shtml
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Pauline
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23 Sep 2018 22:13 |
Thank you so much
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Kucinta
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23 Sep 2018 22:10 |
It's Blything Union Workhouse, Bulcamp, Blythburg, Blything Suffolk, according to FMP.
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malyon
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23 Sep 2018 22:05 |
it says inmate could be a workhouse or a home
could the mother have died there is a death
Deaths Dec 1879 Johnson Harriet 26 Blything 4a 474
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23 Sep 2018 22:03 |
there is a death for a caroline
Deaths Jun 1881 (>99%) JOHNSON Caroline 2 Blything 4a 451
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Pauline
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23 Sep 2018 21:50 |
Just had some info from an old relative in usa that Florence was found in a church abandant don't know how true it is that's why I ask if she was in a home
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Pauline
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23 Sep 2018 21:48 |
Are they in a home or workhouse Malyon please
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malyon
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23 Sep 2018 21:23 |
i wonder if this is florence's sister JOHNSON, CAROLINE - Order GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 743
JOHNSON, FLORENCE - Order GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in WAYLAND Volume 04B Page 258
both no father's name
wayland is in norfolk
there is a census 1881 which could be them
Florence Johnson England and Wales Census, 1881 Name: Florence Johnson Event Type: Census Event Date: 1881 Event Place: Blythburgh, Suffolk, England Registration District: Blything Residence Note: Bulcamp Gender: Female Age: 6 Marital Status (Original): Single Occupation: Scholar Relationship to Head of Household: Inmate Birth Year (Estimated): 1875 Birthplace: Leiston, Suffolk, England Page Number: 7 Registration Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 1891/138 Affiliate Record Type: Household Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Florence Johnson Inmate Female 6 Leiston, Suffolk, England Caroline Johnson Inmate Female 2 Halesworth, Suffolk, England
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23 Sep 2018 20:55 |
this is a florence born in norfolk a servant
Florence Johnson England and Wales Census, 1901 Name: Florence Johnson Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Event Place: Ashton Upon Mersey, Cheshire, England County: Cheshire Civil Parish: Ashton Upon Mersey Ecclesiastical Parish: Ashton Upon Mersey St Mary Magdalene Sub-District: Altrincham Registration District: Bucklow Residence Note: Sandiway Road Gender: Female Age: 26 Occupation: HOUSEMAID DOMESTIC Relationship to Head of Household: Servant Birth Year (Estimated): 1875 Birthplace: Dickleboro, Norfolk Schedule Type: 25 Page Number: 4 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace George Ashworth Head Male 63 Manchester, Lancashire Catherine Mary Ashworth Wife Female 63 Liverpool, Lancashire Stanley Watson Ashworth Son Male 29 Manchester, Lancashire Lewis Edwards Son-In-Law Male 44 Liverpool, Lancashire Katie Edwards Daughter Female 40 Manchester, Lancashire Gladys Edwards Grand Daughter Female 9 New Brighton, Cheshire Beatrice Edwards Grand Daughter Female 8 Liverpool, Lancashire Watson C Edwards Grand Son Male 10 France Rowbury Florence Johnson Servant Female 26 Dickleboro, Norfolk Annie Larkin Servant Female 27 Ireland Newry
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23 Sep 2018 20:40 |
Details of the marriage Sylvia posted are corroborated by his military papers.
Marriage took place December 1901:
Name: John George Pearson Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1879 Enlistment Age: 36 Marriage Date: 14 Dec 1901<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Marriage Place: Parish Church St Anne's On Sea<<<<<<<<<<< Document Year: 1915 Residence Place: 2 Garstang Terrace, Highfield Road South Shore Blackpool Regimental Number: 0220 Regiment Name: Labour Corps Number of Images: 4 Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier John George Pearson Self (Head) Florence Johnston Spouse Doris Margaret Pearson Child Rosalind Victoria Pearson Child Florence Lobelia Pearson Child
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23 Sep 2018 20:11 |
from lancs bmd. They married at St Annes church, St Annes-on-Sea ...............
PEARSON John George JOHNSTON Florence St.Annes-on-Sea, St.Annes, Heyhouses Preston FF/1/309
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23 Sep 2018 20:07 |
Am wondering - if that is the birth with no mmn - perhaps her Mother married after her birth and Florence is on census under that surname. She would have married then under her birth name perhaps?
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23 Sep 2018 19:58 |
?? Only Florence Johnson/Johnston birth seeing Norfolk c 1875 No mmn
JOHNSON, FLORENCE - Order GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in WAYLAND Volume 04B Page 258
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Pauline
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23 Sep 2018 19:52 |
Was trying to find her in 1901 because John is still with parents
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Pauline
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23 Sep 2018 19:51 |
In 1911 she is living South Shore Blackpool and her husband is in Upper Norwood has a visitor
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23 Sep 2018 19:51 |
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
PEARSON, DORIS MARGARET JOHNSTON Order GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 612
PEARSON, ROSALIND VICTORIA JOHNSON Order GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 614
PEARSON, FLORENCE LOBELIA JOHNSON Order GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 653
and the child that died
PEARSON, GEORGE JOHNSON Order GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 633
Name: Age at Death (in years): Order: PEARSON, GEORGE 0 Order GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 399
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