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Thank you yet again

Yes I saw the parents were different that is why I like to check when I can or in this case have some one check for me

As I said it doesn't help with linking all the Hornby's mention to gether but I've got the info for when I do

Forgot to answer your question. My Thomas Turnbull was born in Ingleton, Durham. I haven't been able to trace my Turnbull line back to Scotland but I know that there was a border clan named Turnbull.

Some of that's already been posted, Margaret - 1870 and John & Eliz's marriage.

Good to have Alice's parentage confirmed.

Alice's death:


Alice Hornby
in the Iowa, Deaths and Burials, 1850-1990
Name:
Alice Hornby
[Alice Crimp]
Gender:
Female
Marital Status:
Widowed
Age:
83
Birth Date:
18 Nov 1830
Birth Place:
England
Death Date:
12 Oct 1914
Death Place:
Princeton, Scott, Iowa
Burial Date:
16 Oct 1914
Burial Place:
Davenport, Scott, Iowa
Father:
George Crimp
Mother:
Ann Harvey

John's first marriage?


John Hornby
in the Iowa, Select Marriages Index, 1758-1996
Name:
John Hornby
Gender:
Male
Marriage Date:
16 Feb 1857
Marriage Place:
Scott, IA
Spouse:
Elizabeth Crimp

FHL Film Number:
1004413

The family in Davenport, Iowa on the 1870 census, the children all have the Hornby name. Allioe is probably Alice.

John Hornbye 47
Allioe Hornbye 40
Harry Hornbye 17
William Hornbye 16
Louise Hornbye 15
Mary Hornbye 14
Nelly Hornbye 12
George Hornbye 12
Tillie Hornbye 10
Lizzy Hornbye 8
Harry Hornbye 4
Thomas Hornbye 2
Benjamin Hornbye 1

The tree on Ancestry claims that Thomas Crimp and Lydia Coate were Elizabeth's parents.

However, I'm sure the 1851 census above, showing parents George and Ann, is the correct one.

Alice's sister Elizabeth born c1834, per 1851 census.
DOB 4 October 1833 per her death record, so that would fit.

I don't see an Elizabeth Crimp with parents Thomas and Lydia in England 1841 or 1851.

John & Alice's marriage:

John Hornby
in the Iowa, Select Marriages Index, 1758-1996
Name: John Hornby
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 22 Oct 1868
Marriage Place: Scott, Iowa
Spouse: Alice Norton
FHL Film Number: 1004414
Reference ID: 2:1TRJPH2

Alice and Elizabeth with parents and siblings in 1851?

Alice Crimp
in the 1851 Wales Census
Name: Alice Crimp
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: George Crimp
Mother's name: Ann Crimp
Gender: Female
Where born: Worthing, Sussex, England
Civil Parish or Township: Swansea St Mary
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 2466
Folio: 50
Page Number: 17
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
George Crimp 49
Ann Crimp 50
Thomas Crimp 22
Alice Crimp 20
Elizabeth Crimp 17
William Crimp 15
Anne Crimp 13


Parents' marriage:

George Crimp
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: George Crimp
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 4 Oct 1825
Marriage Place: Brighton, Sussex, England
Spouse: Ann Harvey
FHL Film Number: 1067115

Matilda Norton
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Matilda Norton
Arrival date: 5 Jun 1862
Birth Date: abt 1860
Age: 2
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: City of New York

Travelling with Mary 1, Ellen 4, Polly 6, Louisa 7, Wm 8, Henry 9, and Alice 32.
Going from England to US. Passengers on the After Main Deck.


Polly will be Mary Alice.

The one-year-old child Mary must be Elizabeth/Lizzie listed as Mary by mistake.
(Lizzie on the 1871 census):

NORTON, ELIZABETH GERRISH mms CRIMP
GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 527


NORTON, ELLEN HARVEY mms CRIMP
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 557

NORTON, MARY ALICE mms CRIMP
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in SWANSEA UNION Volume 11A Page 514

NORTON, LOUISA HARVEY mms CRIMP
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in SWANSEA UNION Volume 11A Page 443 [also ]
NORTON, LOUISA HARVEY mmsCRIMP
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in SWANSEA UNION Volume 11A Page 444 Occasional Copy: A

NORTON, HENRY HARVEY mms CRIMP
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in SWANSEA UNION Volume 11A Page 422
NORTON, WILLIAM JOHN mms CRIMP
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in SWANSEA UNION Volume 11A Page 443


And, just for good measure, John's death;

Deaths Mar 1862 (>99%)
NORTON John Swansea 11a 368

Thank you , think I've got that she went on to marry John Trueman

Can I ask for another passenger list John Hornby mentioned above living next door to Anne Milsted nee Hornby think John is her brother

John Married Elizabeth Crimp then went on to marry her sister Alice, Think Alice emigrated in 1862 after her husband John Norton died apparently she went with 6 children?, Not sure if it will help but if I could have the passenger list

Where did your Thomas Turnbull come from? I have a Thomas Turnbull Dof B a bit out from Scotland

There's this Mary Ann Hornby on the 1851 Canadian census. She's 23 with William, 46 and Ann, 48. The dates match the family on the immigration record. All born England.


Mary A Hornby
in the 1851 Census of Canada East, Canada West, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia
Name:
Mary A Hornby
Gender:
Female
Age:
23
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1829
Birthplace:
England
Province:
Canada West (Ontario)
District:
Peel County

Every thing bar the kitchen sink

Thank you It was just another way of trying to tie them together

No, there's no information that hasn't already been posted -

the father's a husbandman, they've come from England, and are going to New York.

A list of their belongings, which is hard to read, but I think it says:

Three boxes of clothes, a clock & gun, a brass milk bottle, tools in husbandry, beds and bedding, cooking utensils.

Trying to tie the Hornby families together
The passenger list at the top where another Hornby family is mentioned
…..Hornby 26 ,Ann 28 , Eliza 3, & Mary Ann 2 Does it say an address where they have come from or what their job is , trying to find the births of the children have a date for Mary Ann if it is her on the grave birth is down as 11/11/1829

I've traced the tree on ancestry they have Mary Ann married to John Trueman which does match with the info above


Not as yet matched them up to the Hornby's I have in my tree but I haven't done all the male Hornby's the certificates that early don't give too much info

Thank You so much

I'll have a look at that tree on ancestry My Hornby's come from Yorkshire and some were farmers. They had large families and married more than once so it's a bit difficult sorting them out earlier than the 1841 census, I rely on the net and try to make sure things are right.

It's like Elizabeth and Alice Crimp Both married to John Hornby above they could be sisters but they seem to have different parents according to their grave stones But I think the info that goes with the grave stones is what people had added from their tree but it needs looking into

The other father's first name is something very short, or an abbreviation. It looks as if it could be Wm - but that's unlikely if the two Hornby husbands were brothers. However, Wm is the only first name abbreviation used in the document.
They might not be brothers, but some other relation.

There's this woman (thinking about the wife Ann, born c1803);

Ann Hornby
in the Ontario, Canada, Deaths and Deaths Overseas, 1869-1946
Name: Ann Hornby (widow)
Gender: Female
Age: 85
Religion: Methodist
Birth Date: abt 1804
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 19 Feb 1889
Death Place: Peel, Ontario, Canada
Cause of Death: Tucompency [ Incompetency a year or two ]


This is her in 1881:

Ann Hornby
in the 1881 Census of Canada
Name: Ann Hornby
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widowed
Age: 77
Birth Year: 1804
Birthplace: England
Religion: Wesleyan Methodist
Nationality: English
Province: Ontario
District Number: 140
District: Peel
Sub-District Number: A
Subdistrict: Toronto
Division: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Hornby 77
Minnie H. Wilson 21


Ann Hornby
in the 1871 Census of Canada
Name: Ann Hornby
Gender: Female
Age: 66
Birth Year: abt 1805
Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Widowed
Religion: Weslyan Methodist
Origin: English
Province: Ontario
District: Peel
District Number: 39
Division: 05
Subdistrict: Toronto
Subdistrict Number: a
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Hornby 66
Minnie Truemen 11


Minnie might be short for Mary Ann.


William Hornby
in the 1851 Census of Canada East, Canada West, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia
Name: William Hornby
Gender: Male
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Birthplace: England
Province: Canada West (Ontario)
District: Peel County
District Number: 28
Sub-District: Toronto
Sub-District Number: 271
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hornby 46 - farmer, Quaker

Also listed with him, but not transcribed on Ancestry, are:
Ann Hornby, 48, born England, Wesleyan Methodist;
Mary A Hornby, 23, England, Wesleyan Methodist.

Also, a couple of lines further on - not sure if same household or not), a John Truman, carpenter & joiner, 25, England, Wesleyan Methodist.


A tree on Ancestry has a photo of the gravestone of John Trueman and his wife Mary Ann Hornby (Oct 11 1829 - Dec 10 1907) - also their daughter Eliza and son Fred.


The tree also lists a sister of Mary Ann - ( Annie 1823 England, death unknown )- but gives no proof of her existence. Apart from that, the tree is well researched, with lots of records as proof of most other events.

It says William died 1860 Ontario - no proof of that, but obviously Ann is a widow by 1861.

I wonder if this could be the family who went to NY in 1831 - if the child Eliza aged 3 died.

Just a long shot .

Re 1831 -

William Hornby and the father of the other Hornby family were both husbandmen, and both were going to New York.
The passenger list is not in alphabetical order, so the fact that the two families are listed one after the other implies they were travelling together as one group.

But sorry - can't see them after that, so far.

Thank you for all that it will keep me going for a while their is some one on ancestry that has the Hornby/ Norton connection but I found that one wasn't mine but I'll give this one a go
Is their any sign of the Hornby Family that cam over on the same boat in 1831
……..Hornby 26, Ann Hornby 28, Eliza 3, and Mary Ann 2


I apologise if I don't get back until tomorrow My husband was 70 yesterday so we're having a bit of a get together later

Alice's first marriage:

Marriages Jun 1852 (>99%)
Crimp Alice Swansea 11a 708
Norton John Swansea 11a 708


Alice Norton
in the 1861 Wales Census
Name: Alice Norton
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Norton
Gender: Female
Where born: Brighton, Surrey, England
Civil Parish or Township: Swansea
Town: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 12g
Household schedule number: 256
Neighbors:
Piece: 4103
Folio: 103
Page Number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
John Norton 37
Alice Norton 30
Elizth Green Norton 12
Henry Harvey Norton 8 <<<<<<<Harry in 1870
Willm John Norton 7 <<<<<<<<<<<William in 1870
Louisa Harvey Norton 5 <<<<<<<<<< Louise in 1870
Mary Alice Norton 4 <<<<<<<<< Mary in 1870
Ellen Harvey Norton 2 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Nellie in 1870
Matilda Green Norton 1 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Tillie in 1870



Sorry - I'm getting off track!