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Hello everyone,
I am trying to help my friend locate any information on these 2 people. Thomas Doey born Ireland 1816? and Martha Edmonds born Wales 1823? They had 3 children in the US and then immigrated to Ontario, Canada where they had 4 more children. My friend needs to locate the marriage certificate for this couple and the birth certificates for all the children to cross reference to her family tree. She is unable to find shipping records related to their journey to North America. I would appreciate any leads or records to help her and her family develop their family tree.

Is this Thomas?

Thomas Doey
Find A Grave Index
Name Thomas Doey
Event Type Burial
Event Date 1902
Event Place , Chatham-Kent Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Photograph Included N
Birth Date 19 Sep 1816
Death Date 03 Dec 1902
Affiliate Record Identifier 118718529
Cemetery Pardoville Union Cemetery

His death certificate may name his parents to help locate him (the DC of his son Thomas died 1913 has Thomas Doey and Martha Edmunds named as parents)

Marriage schedule of son Thomas Edward says where he was born
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y39G-MZF?i=446&cc=1784216

That of son Frankland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y39R-CMR

and of son George
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y39L-69F?i=697&cc=1784216

Hello, thanks for the info. She has this information however, she cannot move find any records on his birth or his parents and nothing that records his marriage, travel to North America or the birth of their children. Already looked on familysearch. It certainly is a mystery.

The records posted say where the sons were born - the records you want may not be online, you may have to enquire as to whether there were birth records for those places at that time.

When and where was the oldest child born - may give a clue as to approx. when the parents were married.

Martha's death record says she was born in Ireland

Martha Doey
Ontario Deaths and Overseas Deaths, 1939-1947
Name Martha Doey
Event Type Death
Event Date 10 Oct 1904
Event Place Raleigh, Kent, Ontario
Gender Female
Age 80
Birthplace Ireland
Birth Year (Estimated) 1824

and the Find a Grave record says she was born 31 October 1823

Martha Edmonds Doey
Find A Grave Index
Name Martha Edmonds Doey
Maiden Name Edmonds
Event Type Burial
Event Date 1904
Event Place , Chatham-Kent Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Photograph Included N
Birth Date 31 Oct 1823
Death Date 04 Oct 1904
Affiliate Record Identifier 118718688
Cemetery Pardoville Union Cemetery

I note that Thomas Edward and Frankland were apparently born in Raleigh, Ontaior, but George says he was born in Pennsylvania.

Both US and Canadian censuses tend to have date of immigration shown.

Have you tried Family Search for US censuses??

Find Canadian censuses here .............

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/genealogy/Pages/introduction.aspx

Click on Data Bases, then on Censuses


On the 1891 Census, Frankland (shown as Frank) says he was born in Ireland, but gives no date as to when he arrived in Canada.

However, in 1901 Frank says he was born in Ontario in 1854, and naturally doesn't therefore give the date of immigration!

In 1901, Thomas and Martha (transcribed as Mertha) are living with their son Thomas E, and say they immigrated into Canada in 1844. Thomas says he was born in Ireland, and Martha in Wales on Oct 31 1823. Thomas E is shown as Widower.


There will be problems finding when they arrived in North America.

There are records ............... but patchy.

For the US ..........

http://www.castlegarden.org/

says it has eleven million records of immigrants who arrived at the Port of New York from 1820 - 1892.

TBH ......... I've never found any of mine!!


https://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/

The Ellis Island site has excellent records from 1892 to after 1924. So late for your guys.


For Canada ............ try searching on Family Search and also look at that link I gave you above for Canadian censuses.

The surname has been transcribed as Docy on the 1871 Census!

Thank you for the advise and links to the various websites. we will look these up this evening and let you know how we get on. She already has the information related to children and parents in the census records, but nothing in terms of
1. marriage certificate for the parents
2. the children's birth certificates
3. Shipping/immigration and migration records.
The information she has was from the death information and had to work backwards to trace their journey, but cannot find the marriage or birth certificates. Familysearch gave us the same records she already located on Ancestry.
I appreciate the time and effort taken to assist us!!!

If they married in Ireland I think the best you can hope for is a church record as Statutory registration began later in Ireland than the rest of the U.K.

I know you have the census, but we don't, so posting them from Ancestry

?? Is this the same family - ages of George and Daniel out from 1871. The ages are very clearly written.

Name: Thomas Davie [Thomas Doey] - looks like Douie on original.
Gender: Male
Age: 50
Birth Year: 1811
[1816]
Birthplace: Canada West
Marital Status: Married
Home in 1861: Raleigh, Kent, Canada West
Religion: Universalist
Film Number: C-1039-1040
Page Number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Davie 50

also Martha 51
George 16
Daniel (could be David) 13
Catherine 7
Francis 3

All recorded as born Canada West and all Universalists

Name: Thomas Docy
[Thomas Doey]
Gender: Male
Age: 54
Birth Year: abt 1817
Birth Place: Ireland
Marital Status: Married
Religion: Roman Catholic
Origin: Irish
Province: Ontario
District: Kent
District Number: 02
Division: 02
Subdistrict: Raleigh
Subdistrict Number: c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Docy 54
Martha Docy 44 - b Wales Religion Church of England
George Docy 20 - b US - all children recorded as RC and of Irish origin
Daniel Docy 18 - b US
Catharine Docy 16 - b US
Frank Docy 12 - b Ontario and ditto younger children
James Henry Docy 9
Thomas Edmonds Docy 6 - shown as Thomas Edmonds (mmn) not Thomas Edward
Martha Jane Docy 4

1881 - very poor quality original Places of birth as per 1871. Children now recorded as ditto CofE below Martha. I see Frank's age as 21 and James 17 or 19 but the others not clear enough

Name: Thos. Docy
[Thomas Doey]
[Thos. Doey]
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 65
Birth Year: 1816
Birthplace: Ireland
Religion: Catholic
Nationality: Irish
Occupation: Farmer
Province: Ontario
District Number: 180
District: Kent
Sub-District Number: C
Subdistrict: Raleigh
Division: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos. Docy 65
Martha Docy 55
Daniel Docy 28
Catharine Docy 26
Frank Docy 21
James H. Docy 19
Thos. W. Docy 10
Martha J. Docy 14
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EARLY ORGANISATION OF THE REGISTRATION SERVICE
In the early days, the organisation of the service was based on the "unions" of
parishes set up under the Poor Law (Ireland) Act 1838. Initially, these unions formed
the registrars' districts (for Protestant and civil marriages) and later the
superintendent registrars' districts (for births, deaths and Roman Catholic marriages).
The Clerk of the Union was usually the superintendent registrar and also often
registrar of Protestant and civil marriages. The medical officer of the dispensary
district was usually also the registrar of births, deaths and Roman Catholic
marriages.
Throughout Ireland there were 163 union based registration districts each headed by
a superintendent registrar and there were also around 798 dispensary based
registration districts, each headed by a registrar of births, deaths and Roman
Catholic marriages who reported to the relevant superintendent registrar. In addition, there were 130 registrars of Protestant and civil marriages who reported directly to the Registrar General. The first Registrar General (1844-1876) was William Donnelly

1845 was the first year in which marriages (other than Roman Catholic Marriages)
were registered and 6,114 marriages were recorded in the last nine months of the
year. The majority of these (4118 were according to the rites of the Established
Church, 1586 were in Presbyterian Meeting Houses and 348 marriages were before
Registrars of Marriages. In 1864 the first year for the registration of Births, Deaths
and Marriages (including Catholic Marriages) - there were 136,643 births, 94,095
deaths and 27,373 marriages recorded.

1891 - Thomas and Martha only. Both recorded as b Ireland, he RC, she now Baptist (which IF she was actually from Wales would ring more true)

Lots on google re Welsh Baptists and of their history in Pennsylvania

Name: Thomas Dory Sr.
[Thomas Doey]
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 75
Birth Year: abt 1816
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head-of-house: Head
Religion: Roman Catholic
French Canadian: No
Spouse's Name: Martha Dory
Father's Birth Place: Ireland
Mother's Birth Place: Ireland
Province: Ontario
District Number: 79
District: Kent
Subdistrict: Raleigh
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Dory Sr. 75
Martha Dory 65

I did notice that there some other Doeys on the Canadian censuses that were not part of Thomas and Martha's family ........... but maybe be brothers or cousins????

I think you are going to be very lucky to find a marriage certificate. Certainly there will not be birth certificates for either Thomas or Martha, as both were born before registration was instituted in either Ireland or England & Wales.

Records in the US are kept by state, just as they are in Canada ........ so you have to search the specific State records, and Ontario records.

I am not sure when birth certificates were first issued in Ontario or the states, again it might only be baptism records.